1999 SBA "error"- Live or Memorex?

A friend posted this one in an on-line group I am a member of and stated this is a "Charles Silverstone counterfeit; the bust design was changed slightly for the 1999 coin, yet this still has the old design. The bust doesn't match the year".




A second member added " the coin is struck with false dies on an authentic cent planchet. The date is actually "1980." The damage is actually characteristic of MANY of the fakes. It appeared to have been done with a pair of simple pliers, and the grooves from the "grip" part of the pliers caused the "pattern-like" lines of damage in some areas of these fakes. Also, the area the counterfeiter attempted to cover up by "scraping" the neck area is where there is a "snake like" defect on the die".




I appreciate other's thoughts on this one as I have no personal knowledge of these!

 

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I'm no expert, but the eagle looks funny too

 

A pair of pliers? Really? Do you know how much tons of pressure is needed to strike a blank?

Looks legit to me
ANACS is a pretty good grading and attribution service. I'm not saying any of them are perfect but they do have the means in determining legit errors.

@JCro57 is a person to look at this coin

 

Looks legit to me
ANACS is a pretty good grading and attribution service. I'm not saying any of them are perfect but they do have the means in determining legit errors.

@JCro57 is a person to look at this coin[/QUOTE]
ANACS is a very reliable service in my opinion- I have forwarded the images to my contact there.

 

@Jack D. Young
You don't need to quote me. Just post a simple response and I/we will see it.

 

He's not saying the coin was created with pliers - he's saying the damage at the top of the obverse is probably from pliers.

I would also make sure that @Fred Weinberg has a look at this one.

 

Agree with Clawcoins. The eagle stood out to me as being off.

 

That's because you're looking at it struck on copper

 

I see .. ..

 

Hard to get the feathers right. I’ll do better on the next try

 

You don't need to quote me. Just post a simple response and I/we will see it.[/QUOTE]
Just hit reply- won't do it again after this and the reason I removed your comment about pliers and striking pressure in the "quote" is because the statement is in regards to the damage as physics-fan noted...

 

I am in the Fake camp, the details of the coin just seem to be off.
It would be interesting to see it side by side with one of the Charles Silverstone counterfiets.

 

Just hit reply- won't do it again after this and the reason I removed your comment about pliers and striking pressure in the "quote" is because the statement is in regards to the damage as physics-fan noted...[/QUOTE]

I can't wait to learn the results! ~ Chris

 

To bad we don't have a image of the reverse, of the slab .
That's where the cert. numbers are .

Then we know for sure this coin, is in Anac data base ...

 

I've examined literally hundreds of SBA dollars. The eagles on all of them look just like that. Looks totally legit to me other than it may have the year wrong on the slab. The Scratched part is definitely right.

 

If it’s a 1980 strike where did a 2.6 gr blank come from?

 

Good point Heavy!

 

This excerpt is from the US Mint Director's Annual report for 1980. Coincidence?

 

I don't think it's a 1980 strike. It's a 1999 strike, and instead of the 1999 SBA
it has the characteristics of a 1980 SBA.
If I read and comprehended the posts correctly.