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<p>[QUOTE="Clawcoins, post: 8526467, member: 77814"]think of those webpages as very stringent rules.</p><p><br /></p><p>A 1972 - 001, etc is very specific to a certain run of a reverse and an obverse die set on even a particular machine for a short time. It's not even all 1972 cents, nor all from the same mint which has multiple machines running at the same time. It has no relation to any other year, or other mints or even other dies (look at the die numbers for the 1972s) which may have a life span of just a few days before being replaced. Of course that does not take in to account Die Deterioration, or loose equipment (mechanical doubling), etc. or at what level a doubling may have been made.</p><p><br /></p><p>If each "error" was related to a particular mint and year, then it would just all be the same. Then every 1972 D would have the exact same error, which would make it common and not even worth looking for because it would be on each and every one.</p><p><br /></p><p>So using a 1972 as a reference for a 1991 just doesn't work, especially when during that time frame the composition and the die manufacturing process was completely changed. The 1982 cent composition and 1986 going to a single squeeze method for dies. and all the issues related to the zinc cents.</p><p><br /></p><p>I think as example, Denver in 2011 could produce about 200 million cents per month, 500k avg 3cents per die side. So that is about 400 dies being used in one month. One press can make about 300k per 8 hour shift. And the mint of course has multiple presses. These numbers are rough taken from reports. Denver currently has about 64 presses of which only about 50 are active .. or something like that. Anyways, that's a lot of dies of which you are normally looking for a particular cent made from one die (that aren't scooped out and trashed) for those more rare ones. There's a lot of variations dependent upon various doubling at what level of die manufacturing.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Clawcoins, post: 8526467, member: 77814"]think of those webpages as very stringent rules. A 1972 - 001, etc is very specific to a certain run of a reverse and an obverse die set on even a particular machine for a short time. It's not even all 1972 cents, nor all from the same mint which has multiple machines running at the same time. It has no relation to any other year, or other mints or even other dies (look at the die numbers for the 1972s) which may have a life span of just a few days before being replaced. Of course that does not take in to account Die Deterioration, or loose equipment (mechanical doubling), etc. or at what level a doubling may have been made. If each "error" was related to a particular mint and year, then it would just all be the same. Then every 1972 D would have the exact same error, which would make it common and not even worth looking for because it would be on each and every one. So using a 1972 as a reference for a 1991 just doesn't work, especially when during that time frame the composition and the die manufacturing process was completely changed. The 1982 cent composition and 1986 going to a single squeeze method for dies. and all the issues related to the zinc cents. I think as example, Denver in 2011 could produce about 200 million cents per month, 500k avg 3cents per die side. So that is about 400 dies being used in one month. One press can make about 300k per 8 hour shift. And the mint of course has multiple presses. These numbers are rough taken from reports. Denver currently has about 64 presses of which only about 50 are active .. or something like that. Anyways, that's a lot of dies of which you are normally looking for a particular cent made from one die (that aren't scooped out and trashed) for those more rare ones. There's a lot of variations dependent upon various doubling at what level of die manufacturing.[/QUOTE]
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