1989 cent Misaligned die question

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  1. dollar

    dollar Junior Member

    Both sides seem to be misaligned. Would this be called something other than misaligned die? 1989fullobv.jpg 1989fullrev.jpg
     
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  4. dollar

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  5. *coins

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    Nice find and cool error there.
     
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  6. APX78

    APX78 Well-Known Member

    Great Find!
     
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  7. enamel7

    enamel7 Junior Member

    Or if it's on the same area of both sides it would be an off center strike. Still not enough for added value.
     
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  8. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Only an off-center if part of the design is off the planchet. If not then it is just misaligned dies if the collar is present, or an uncentered broadstrike if the collar is not present.

    Rev die appears to be misaligned, if the obv is it is VERY slight.
     
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  9. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    The obverse face is not misaligned. It just shows slight finning of the rim. The reverse face is not misaligned enough to be considered an error.
     
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  10. enamel7

    enamel7 Junior Member

    I don't believe that's correct. I'll leave it to Mike to answer that.
     
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  11. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    Contra Conder 101, a misaligned die error is not dependent on the presence of a fully or partly deployed collar. A misalignment can occur in conjunction with a broadstrike. It can even occur in conjunction with an off-center strike, although this is very rare. In simplest terms, a misaligned die error (specifically a horizontal misalignment) occurs when either die is offset relative to the other die. Naturally, major misalignments (ones in which the design is cut off on one face) are far more commonly associated with the hammer die. Major horizontal misalignments of the anvil die do occur on rare occasions, as do major dual misalignments.
     
  12. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Mike you misunderstood my post. It was in reference to a coin that had both dies off in the same direction but the entire design still present on the coin. That if the coin is still struck in the collar then it would just be described as misaligned dies. If the collar was NOT present would it not be described as an uncentered broadstrike?

    I can see that the planchet could still have been properly centered below where the dies SHOULD be, but with a broadstrike how could you tell which was properly centered the dies or the planchet? (If the dies were misaligned from each other you could tell, but if they are misaligned in the same direction?)
     
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  13. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    Certainly, if a coin is struck out of collar and shows both designs offset to the same degree and in the same direction, then it's obvious you're dealing with an off-center strike. If the collar is fully deployed, then the only way you can get an off-center strike is if the collar is frozen in the up position (a stiff collar error).

    In the case of a misaligned die error that is combined with a broadstrike, you use Occam's Razor. If one die strikes the planchet in a centered position, while the other die is offset, the latter is the one that is presumed to be misaligned. While it's theoretically possible for a planchet and a die to be offset to the same degree and in the same direction, it's highly unlikely. I've written about conundrums like these several times in Coin World.
     
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