1985D double die

Ken Potter does have this grading service listed on his CONECA, but it just jumps back to MMNS, where he is listed as a " individuals and dealers endorse products and services offered by MMNS:", but since they are mainly in Michigan except one in Wisc., maybe it is a local group. I could not find any endorsement or article by him on this group. I respect Ken, but if he is a principle in the group, I would question the situation a little more myself, but it isn't my coin.

As with any new grading company, enough coins will have to be compared to see how they rank. In case you are interested , here is their group of graders.

http://www.mmnscoin.com/AboutUs/tabid/69/Default.aspx

Again, folks , you can kick the coin, but do not kick one another!! Keep it civil and within the rules.
Jim

 

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1985d dd

thank you jim .I joined this site to have fun and talk about coins .not to get jump on because I believe what I believe,everyone believe what they believe ,some say it is some say its not I can respect that, but dont trip on me if i believe what i do.im not here to kill no ones hops and dreams because i know we all want to find that amazing coin,but we can use tact in what we say.lol

 

Please don't go tripping on my opinion. I guess it's ok to state an opinion?
When someone like Ken Potter calls it a true DD, I'm good with it.
From just the images, it looks like nothing more than machine doubling.
I can't match it to any known DDO. I'll guess Ken will not offer an opinion because of the images.

 

I always wondered if MMNS was a joke... now I know they are.

Doesn't anybody else want a piece of this huge market? Jeeze. About to start slabbing my crap with accurate grades.

 

what do you think about this one

hope you guys like this

 

it has doubled die forehead and nose

 

dersaun, that's a nicer looking cent, but don't go rushing it off to a grading service. Most of the time ultra-modern cents are not worth the price that is paid to have it graded. You can have something attributed for about 5 or so dollars (maybe slightly more) if you ask around.
Also, I don't know what that is, I'd have to think on how it could have happened in the minting process, but it doesn't look like a doubled-die to me.

 

I can see the extra in the field that follows the nose and forehead outline, but I don't think this is a result of doubled-die. Doubled-dies are usually made by the hub having slightly out of alignment strikes into the die, so they should be just as crisp and clear as the regular device (lincoln's head).

 

Just so you know why we are critiquing your coins so hard (so far) - it's because there are so many people out there that want to put out wrong information and hoodwink others into buying non-collectible coins and non-errors as if they were valued errors. I am not saying you are, either. So the best thing to do to combat that is to make sure that we don't become yes men to people who come on here in such a soft-glove way that they think it's ok to continue to think that these non-errors are errors and that fake coins are real and authentic.

Hub-doubling is very much noticed in most cases, as not only does the coin look like it has a doubled image, but the doubled part usually looks as nice as the other....and it should, because the way it occurs is during the minting process BEFORE any coins are struck and AS any striking dies are formed, and NEVER after that and during the striking process. The hub is characteristically used 2 times to sink the design into the striking dies, and if they are rotated or mis-aligned between that, then they can create a die that had a doubled-die error.

Machine doubling and other forms of doubling after the die has been in use or due to the way the operator doesn't clamp the die down enough is strike doubling and is not considered collectible.

 

thanks kasia .you know your stuff.

 

Believe me, I'm still learning. I have at least 6 more years of learning before I can even consider myself moderately knowledgeable about this.

But the two best things any collector can do for themselves are:

1) Buy the book before the coin, and
2) Learn what the minting process is and what it isn't, because that in itself can answer many questions about coins.

Oh, and turn that 1992 cent over and check to see if you can see a space between the A and the M in AMERICA. Some 1992's are very valuable if they have a "close AM" which is when those letters are touching or nearly so. If that's the case, take a picture of the reverse and put it up here!

Keep on trying, you'll get a good knowledge base!

 

I looked at the back and they are almost touching very close

 

You need to take a picture of that, and also (this is important) take a picture of the area to the right of the memorial steps where the FG is (the designer's initials). This is important because the location of those initials relative to the memorial is a PUP (pick up point) for this error. We will be able to let you know by looking at the pictures if it is an error.

 

1992

hope the pics helps

 

OK, that coin is no where NEAR an MS-65, it's not even in the ball park. Also, to use the term "double die" on the slab is an insult to variety collectors with even the slightest bit of experience. Like all the other basement slabbers, I have zero respect for MMMS after seeing this. There's a reason people use the top 4 services (PCGS, NGC, ANACS, ICG), this coin makes it even more obvious.

 

The 1992 is a common example of die deterioration doubling. Coins affected with this are common and damaged. I have quite a few examples saved myself for educational purposes.

 

I don't see any doubling anywhere. If there is any it is not visible without high magnification. Good Luck and WELCOME to CT.
This reply was posted for the OP's first coin, the 1985DDO.

 

my coin looks nothing like your coin.

 

dersaun,
Thanks for the pics of the 1992. I think based on your pictures that the AM are not close enough. I also looked at the FG PUP and I think that also tells me it is not a close AM. But maybe someone else will confirm this. The error I am talking about is extremely rare, and I think maybe only a couple examples have been found, but since you never know, always look for it. The best way to compare is to take a 1993 cent, because ALL 1993 cents have a close AM, no exceptions that are known of. Also look at the way the FG font is, it's slightly different on the close AM as opposed to the wide AM.

 

kasia did you see the back