1984-P dime possible dropped letter

So dimes with die clashes are worth $8??? Holy cow! When did that happen?

 

Log in or Sign up to hide this ad.

Gary your post here should be a good example for other folks to learn how to conduct themselves as adults. but some folks can never get out of the child stage. I have only been on this forum for a short time and have been called all kind of bad names and even a liar. the folks here on earth appear to be getting worse with every passing day with all of the alcohol and drugs going around. now even a lot of grandparents are on drugs. this forum would get many more visitors if all of the hate words would stop. It is starting to look like a very few of the folks on here are full of jealousy or some other problem.I have even had someone tell me they were afraid to put a error coin on here because of all of the mental abuse..Gary you appear to have the right attitude and I hope you are rewarded with finding some great coins. Everyone on here needs to understand we have to reap what we sow.

 

Thanks Larry for showing us this photo. I like your coin because of the clash mark that shows the edge of the obv. dies outer edge. this means the obverse die has struck some coins at least 50% off center and in the process it clashed with about half of the reverse die. This should be a high dollar coin because of this.I know it has me interested in it.Now you have renewed my interest in coins so I'm going to ebay and find something to grab. I goofed up yesterday and let a awesome 1956 cent coin with a dropped 5 on the reverse of it get away . I'm more awake tonight so I'm heading over there.

 

It doesn't really break the rules. The clash itself is incuse as it should be, but because it's from the rim denticles the negative spaces show in relief inside the incuse clash. Note how the main portion runs under the E. For it to "break the rules" the whole thing would have to run over the E.

 

Numismat didn't you read my post #17 ??? there are absolutely no rules that say a clashed die has to show the details in incuse. I have heard a few more of you on here say this same thing that a die clash is always incuse.. this is not true.. so figure this by yourself and learn. the best way to learn is by yourself because you will never believe what anyone else tells you.get you some play dough and prastice with it with different designs on coins.

 

Talking to your mirror again? You basically just repeated what a bunch of people here were saying to and about you in that ICG slabbed "dropped filling" coin post.
And, with putty you get the same effect, that's actually a good way to demonstrate it. It's physics, not imagination.
You wouldn't make that mistake if you actually try things out before suggesting it to other people.
Sheesh. :foot-mouth:

Yes I read it, and as I mentioned it depends on the coin. If you have design elements that are struck incuse then it can happen, as with the spaces between the rim denticles on that IHC. But when you have all parts of the design in relief the clash will be incuse. If you think about from the point of pure physics, it makes sense. The image is reverse transferred each time, from one die to another it goes from incuse to relief, and from the die to the coin it goes back from relief to incuse.

The raised dots on the coin in question are little areas in relief among the incuse denticles. For a clash, both will show on a coin as they would on the die.

I previously mentioned $2.50 and $5 Indians as an example where clash marks would show in relief, because the coins are struck from dies that have the features in relief.

 

you still are just like always. I don't think you understood a word I told you. to make it simple you said a coin with clashed details in relief could not be a clashed die coin when you were referring to my ultra rare 5 cent bison coin. I'm trying to tell you that you are wrong. some clashed dies show in relief and othere may be incuse. the most I encounter the clash marks are raised on the coin's surfaces. take the Roosevelt dime for example and these rare peeing bison coins.If this is not enough evidence to make you a believer then you will never be able to believe anything. im adding the photo here so you can see it again. this time I'm adding the obverse side also and you can clearly see the clash design of the bison is a raised design near Jefferson's nose. the reverse side of the rare coin shows Jefferson's nose and eye. maybe this will learn you that clash marks can and are sometimes in high relief.

 

It's a well known variety. 1880 Snow-1. It's also a DDO. It's thought that the obverse die, fell out of the press and struck the reverse die at an angle. The angle would explain the clash showing on the E in ONE.

 

That sounds like a logical explanation . the pin holding the die in place may have fell out and the die could have stayed on the other die in a slanted angle and keeping another planchet from getting in between them , then the press shaft came down and struck the dies. can you see the doubling pretty well on the obverse of this coin?

My best doubled die is from Sudan in Africa and it is awesome with probably more doubling than our 55 cents because the entire details on one side are seperated..

 

By always do you mean just the last few days? Because we've never debated/argued/thrown turd bombs before that.

And sadly, I don't think you understood what I was saying either. Though I'll admit the way I explained it can read like a tongue-twister. But, there really is no easy way to explain these things. If you know of one, let me know, lol.

Ok, I think we are splitting hairs here about one type of clashed die, rather than a clashed die in general.
Please note that the clash marks in relief here line up with incuse areas of the design on the opposite side. In this case the eyeball and deep features to the right of it.
As I said earlier, clash marks can only show in relief when there are incuse features in between features in relief, such as with rim denticles. What you have here is a normal clash, but on your coin it seems only the highest relief portions of the die actually made the clash. This is why you only see the evidence from some of the highest relief parts of the die.
Basically the lower relief parts make incuse impressions, while the higher relief parts isolated withing low relief parts make relief impressions.
Consequently, the impression on Jefferson's nose is that of the space between the buffalo's underbelly hair, not the hair spikes themselves, as with a typical clash.

If the clash were stronger you would see some incuse evidence surrounding the relief impressions, just like on ldhair's coin.

You may be thinking that the fields are the highest relief part of the die, and they pretty much are. However, the fields have no detail to impress on the other half.

So, technically speaking a die clash is struck incuse on a coin, but depending on the specifics of the coin and physics can sometimes show as relief features or a combination of both. =)

 

I knew my last photos woul make you see the light . all we need to do when examining coins is to try our best to use common sense. this is why some so called error experts keeps making wrong calls , they jump the gun and don't use common sense. common sense tells us that when two dies clash together the highest point on both dies are the area that make contact first. this makes a depression of the other die's details the when the dies strike planchets the clashed depression areas makes raised clash marks on the coins. this is why most die clash marks are raised. now Numismat when someone argues with you on this subject and tries to say that all die clashes are inverted tell them different.

How about we try to bury the hatchet and try to be friendly with each other and try to learn from this coin talk forum.You may even know things I don't know. I was telling you the God's honest truth when I told you how long I have been collecting coins . I can prove it by two of my error coin expert friends. I do know a little and am still willing to learn more.

 

Yea, I'll go for that. =)

The funny thing here is how fickle die clashes can be. Half of a circle clashes, it'll most likely show in relief. A complete circle clashes, it will most likely show incuse. Weird.

Edit: actually that's not right, it's not that simple lol =)