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<p>[QUOTE="Oldhoopster, post: 6437968, member: 84179"]While it’s always a good idea to keep an open mind, at some point you need to look at reality. How could this occur during the minting process? You need more evidence than just saying “I think it’s an anomaly”. Experts like Fred Weinberg and Mike Byers can get away with that, but the rest of us have to provide a plausible theory, especially when others say it’s PMD or a minor error. The shape doesn't match a 9 so it clearly isn't a doubled die nor could it be a repunched/overdate, as you proposed. The full date is added to the die making process well before the working die step (I believe it was added at the master die step in 1983 and now the mint makes a new Master hub each year with the full date) so there is no opportunity or tooling to repunch a digit on the production floor.</p><p><br /></p><p>There are many members who have a great deal of knowledge regarding the minting process. Some are also experienced in metallurgy, tool and die, metal machining/stamping, high volume manufacturing processes, etc. These people are telling you that this is not something new. If you believe they’re wrong, you need to provide a theory on how it happened. Trust me, if you have a reasonable explanation of something new, it will get serious discussion. Some of us do have open minds, but we need the evidence. So far, you have provided nothing but an opinion (you seem to do this on other posts as well).</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>For the record, I think the marks are minor die chips/gouges but wouldn’t rule out a plating blister.</p><p><br /></p><p>BTW: The coin you posted in #18 is an overdate, 3 over 2. It looks like a Belgium 50 centimes and is listed in Numista along with other overdates. This wasn't uncommon 90+ years ago, German half marks and marks from the 1900s and teens comes to mind, but it's not something that occurs in the modern, high volume production process at the mint</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces511.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces511.html" rel="nofollow">https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces511.html</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Oldhoopster, post: 6437968, member: 84179"]While it’s always a good idea to keep an open mind, at some point you need to look at reality. How could this occur during the minting process? You need more evidence than just saying “I think it’s an anomaly”. Experts like Fred Weinberg and Mike Byers can get away with that, but the rest of us have to provide a plausible theory, especially when others say it’s PMD or a minor error. The shape doesn't match a 9 so it clearly isn't a doubled die nor could it be a repunched/overdate, as you proposed. The full date is added to the die making process well before the working die step (I believe it was added at the master die step in 1983 and now the mint makes a new Master hub each year with the full date) so there is no opportunity or tooling to repunch a digit on the production floor. There are many members who have a great deal of knowledge regarding the minting process. Some are also experienced in metallurgy, tool and die, metal machining/stamping, high volume manufacturing processes, etc. These people are telling you that this is not something new. If you believe they’re wrong, you need to provide a theory on how it happened. Trust me, if you have a reasonable explanation of something new, it will get serious discussion. Some of us do have open minds, but we need the evidence. So far, you have provided nothing but an opinion (you seem to do this on other posts as well). For the record, I think the marks are minor die chips/gouges but wouldn’t rule out a plating blister. BTW: The coin you posted in #18 is an overdate, 3 over 2. It looks like a Belgium 50 centimes and is listed in Numista along with other overdates. This wasn't uncommon 90+ years ago, German half marks and marks from the 1900s and teens comes to mind, but it's not something that occurs in the modern, high volume production process at the mint [URL]https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces511.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
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