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<p>[QUOTE="foundinrolls, post: 1809174, member: 4350"]OK, let's put everything in context. We'll start with ...this coin is neither a doubled die on the obverse or the reverse. The thinning of the letters is due to, as suggested, die abrasion (used to remove the effects of a die clash) and then some additional die deterioration.</p><p><br /></p><p>When looking at 1983 cents in particular, there are many variables to consider before pronouncing a coin dead<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>In 1983, dies were used almost to their breaking points. You'll find many 1983 cents with die cracks on the reverse extending from the corners of the Memorial building toward the rim of the coin. The overuse of dies means that you have to carefully determine if anything visible on a coin is due to die deterioration vs. anything else.</p><p><br /></p><p>In 1983, they were still "experimenting" with the , at that time, new cent composition. The copper-plated zinc cents combined with a perceived cent shortage at the time caused the Mints in Philly and Denver to produce billions of cent coins for circulation. More than 15 billion between Philly and Denver were struck. That pace of production meant that attention to detail was "not so hot" (Not official Mint terminology <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />. Dies clashed, dies cracked, dies broke and so on. We (those of us who have examined millions of cent coins) see many coins with clash marks, die cracks, and small CUDS along the bust. There are also many larger CUDs as well. We also see many 1983 cents with major effects of die abrasion on both the obverses and reverses. Some obverse dies have been so heavily dressed (abraded) that the bust of Lincoln is noticeably smaller and his neck is gone on coins struck by those dies. The effects of abrasion on the reverses causes the lettering to be smaller.</p><p><br /></p><p>The lettering on a die is the widest at the surface, as a die is abraded and metal is lost, the portion of the lettering that remains on the die is more narrow. Coins struck by those dies will have smaller looking letters.</p><p><br /></p><p>Also, Die production was in some ways careless. On cents, There are at least 2 doubled die varieties known on the reverses and close to 10 different obverse doubled dies when you consider the P and D mints. I lost track after the 8th different die variety. I have the discovery coins for several of the 1983 DDOs since I found them back in the early and mid 80s so I am very familiar with the characteristics of many of the individual 1983 DDOs and DDRs. Consequently, I ask to see images of areas on the coins that are important for me to see when a 1983 cent is presented.</p><p><br /></p><p>After seeing the images of all the pertinent portions of the coin, I can state my conclusions as they are in the first paragraph.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="foundinrolls, post: 1809174, member: 4350"]OK, let's put everything in context. We'll start with ...this coin is neither a doubled die on the obverse or the reverse. The thinning of the letters is due to, as suggested, die abrasion (used to remove the effects of a die clash) and then some additional die deterioration. When looking at 1983 cents in particular, there are many variables to consider before pronouncing a coin dead:) In 1983, dies were used almost to their breaking points. You'll find many 1983 cents with die cracks on the reverse extending from the corners of the Memorial building toward the rim of the coin. The overuse of dies means that you have to carefully determine if anything visible on a coin is due to die deterioration vs. anything else. In 1983, they were still "experimenting" with the , at that time, new cent composition. The copper-plated zinc cents combined with a perceived cent shortage at the time caused the Mints in Philly and Denver to produce billions of cent coins for circulation. More than 15 billion between Philly and Denver were struck. That pace of production meant that attention to detail was "not so hot" (Not official Mint terminology :). Dies clashed, dies cracked, dies broke and so on. We (those of us who have examined millions of cent coins) see many coins with clash marks, die cracks, and small CUDS along the bust. There are also many larger CUDs as well. We also see many 1983 cents with major effects of die abrasion on both the obverses and reverses. Some obverse dies have been so heavily dressed (abraded) that the bust of Lincoln is noticeably smaller and his neck is gone on coins struck by those dies. The effects of abrasion on the reverses causes the lettering to be smaller. The lettering on a die is the widest at the surface, as a die is abraded and metal is lost, the portion of the lettering that remains on the die is more narrow. Coins struck by those dies will have smaller looking letters. Also, Die production was in some ways careless. On cents, There are at least 2 doubled die varieties known on the reverses and close to 10 different obverse doubled dies when you consider the P and D mints. I lost track after the 8th different die variety. I have the discovery coins for several of the 1983 DDOs since I found them back in the early and mid 80s so I am very familiar with the characteristics of many of the individual 1983 DDOs and DDRs. Consequently, I ask to see images of areas on the coins that are important for me to see when a 1983 cent is presented. After seeing the images of all the pertinent portions of the coin, I can state my conclusions as they are in the first paragraph.[/QUOTE]
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