1983 machine doubled?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Walt Knoch, Feb 23, 2018.

  1. Walt Knoch

    Walt Knoch Member

    Found this. Not sure, that's why we ask.

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  3. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

  4. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Doubled Die.. Not Double! Supporter

    Yes.. It is MD :watching:
  5. lovecoinswalkingliberty

    lovecoinswalkingliberty P/D/D/O/S/C/W/CC mints

  6. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Well-Known Member

    It doesn't match any on the variety sites .
    But didn't take correct images to tell either ..
  7. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    What do you mean "correct images"? Those posted by the OP are perfectly usable for the intended purpose.
  8. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Yes, you're right, it's machine doubled, good guess!
  9. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Well-Known Member

    Time for a crash course in taking images .
    Lets start with one from the OP image list .
    Here's a good one .
    First thing I would do is never take a image without checking the variety site first . Of course after I look at the coin and I can see doubling on it . This way I have some ideal how the image is sitting .

    Let use Coneca DDR-002 .
    As we can see it's sitting angled ( -level ) and I would check to see if it's -plumb or +plumb . As we can see it's sitting -plumb . Then I would take my image .
  10. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    That's a "crash course"?? There's nothing wrong with the OP's photos, Rick, and considering the crap we see posted here on a daily basis, I simply cannot understand why you decided to take issue with his. If you really wish to help folks image their coins, perhaps it would be wise to direct your efforts towards those who really need it.

    And why would one need to check a "variety site" when their coin clearly displays what is not considered to be a variety?
  11. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Well-Known Member

    If you notice the light on the op image is coming from the top making it look like it's MD . When really nothing is doubled on top of those letters . it's all lighting issue .

    Look at coneca image I posted . See how the light hitting the bottom of the lettering, which keeps the top of the lettering dark ..
  12. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Seriously? Of course lighting can give the appearance of doubling where none is present, and is something I'm sure you've seen me address a number of times. However, in this case the lighting clearly and most certainly is not the culprit.

    In fact, you of all people shouldn't take issue with lighting, especially if trying to suggest the coin does not display machine doubling.
  13. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Guardian of The Farce, & Dead-Eye Master

    Rick, let's be honest, okay? You are one different breed of cat when it comes to varieties. In fact, you're the ONLY guy I know of who's into these minuscule ones that you are. That's fine, do what you want, and yes, it must be exciting to have all these newb searchers out there to potentially make your niche bigger; I totally get all that. But let's not get carried away, okay? Most numismatists couldn't give a rip about these "Wexlerian" levels of varieties, confirmed by the fact that neither big TPGS firm cares about the majority of them.

    Perspective, that's all I ask.
  14. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Well-Known Member

    Honestly your right .
    Must are very small on Wexler site .
    To be even be more honest, Concea wouldn't list half the variety Wexler has listed, their way to small for listing on the Coneca charts .

    But keep in mind, most of the time I put " Change Find " in my threads .
  15. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Guardian of The Farce, & Dead-Eye Master

    Glad to hear it. After all, if you really slice the bologna thin enough, no two coins are alike. EVERY coin can be said to be a variety.
  16. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Well-Known Member

    Kurt and let's be honest .
    What would happen to this hobby, without the Variety coins .
    Every year the Coneca table at the local shows, has more and more people every year ...

    The Variety world is live and well .......
  17. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Well-Known Member

    Every Morgan and Peace dollar is ( Vam ) .....
  18. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Guardian of The Farce, & Dead-Eye Master

    Without variety GUYS? In deep honkin' doo doo (a technical term), for sure. The coins are what the coins are; only what people think of them matters. Same with VAM's, yes.
  19. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Guardian of The Farce, & Dead-Eye Master

    Just for clarity, you're saying the "willingness to 'get small'" hierarchy runs how?

    1) Non variety collectors.
    2) TPGS free attributions.
    3) CONECA
    4) TPGS paid attributions.
    5) Wexler waxers.
    6) Newbs with digital microscopes.

    Or is the order different?
  20. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Well-Known Member

    1. coin collectors

    2. variety experts .

    3. TPGS .

    That's it, no need for any attributions fees from the TPGS .
  21. Walt Knoch

    Walt Knoch Member

    Hope I don't need to get the hose here guys.
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