1983 D US mint copper plating error

What can I say? You have to understand who you are dealing with and what they claim NGC said. He did not talk to an NGC grader. The descriptions on the NGC site are clear.

Please forgive me for trying to make this easy to understand. Damage is damage. Damage occurs in degrees of severity. It can occur anywhere including inside the Mint. Some damage has specific names because we know what we are looking at - a hole for instance. A bent coin is a damaged coin that we can assign a specific name to. Some world coins were issued in bent condition because that was the way they were struck. Bent coins rock back and forth on a flat surface.

ICG sends bent coins out as "bent" because we expect everyone to know that the coin was not made that way. IT BECAME DAMAGED and we call that type of damage "BENT."

 

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Just curious. It sounds to me that you have at least 20 years of experience as a collector. Am I correct?

 

It isn’t AU 58 BTW, It’s AU Details. In this case it’s damaged with AU details. There are also Damaged coins with Uncirculated details……they can be bent, holed, scratched, etc.. Your coin shows the details of an AU coin, whether it has bent damage or damage due to someone peeling the plating.

 

You are entitled to your opinion. You are still wrong. The coin is damaged. NGC chose what they decided was the most severe form a damage, not the only form.

However, we have a special button on this site for people who come, ask our opinions, and then argue with some of the most knowledgeable error experts you can find.

Bye Felicia

 

NGC 6858024-002
The picture of the coin does not show a good color it's brown under the microscope light it looks lighter.

 

Like I said I've collected (9) unplated cents (7) certified and (2) that turn out to be counterfeit. 1982 D MS62 NGC 68582524-001, 1983 MS65 NGC 453989-010,1983 MS63 ANACS 2761689, 1985 MS64 PCGS E3071.64/1696734, 1989 MS64 PCGS E11111.64/26022077, 1990 MS63 ANACS 903017, 1995 D AU58 ANACS 7609373 1910 & 1994 counterfeit. Including the 1983 D we've been discussing.

 

50 years

 

I'm not arguing hopefully were expressing a difference of opinion. FYI: I called NGC a second time, just to be sure I understood what they said. Specifically asking their opinion on the term BENT. I spoke with Erica about the (AU 58 Bent) description they assigned to the coin. After conferring with NGC grading team, Erica said. "They determined the coin is bent to a small degree. If the coin was damaged NGC would have assigned the term damaged. the coin is not damaged. Erica said, I could resubmit the coin for a fee and ask if they would comment on the missing plating with no guarantee NGC would change the grade." I plan to send it back. Thanks to all who showed a interest in this post. Best regards
Tony

 

Thank you for posting the cert number. I am surprised this was really sent in to grade, but good for you - I admire your persistence.
Anyway, it's got a details grade, that says it all.
https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/6858024-002/NGCDetails/

 

RATS! LOL, I originally posted 40 to 50 years but changed it to at least 20. How did I know it would be 40 to 50 years? Because that's how long I've been dealing with long-time coin dealers and collectors who are "Ex-perts."

As to this: "After conferring with NGC grading team, Erica said..." Anyone who ever played post office knows not to believe what you hear from a source other than the "ass" their self.

I hope this nonsense does not continue: "The coin is not damaged; it is only a little bent (damaged). Soon we'll get: "The coin is an MS-62; there is only a little friction on it. I guess that already happened decades ago!

BTW, the next time you find another "gem," I suggest you send it to ANACS. They are faster, cheaper, and more customer friendly than NGC or PCGS.

Best Regards.

 

WOW! Makes me feel like I'm back grade school with that nasty old teacher. If you don't like my post stop reading them.

 

Easy big fella, these guys are here to help you, they live this, breathe this, and mostly KNOW about this. They are trying to help sort this out with you not against you. Asking questions with an open mind, even though you got 50 years you can always learn. good luck.... I going to bend my elbow toward my mouth with a Turkey leg in it Happy Turkey CT world. blind note: I like playing Post Office.

 

Actually, I've enjoyed reading your "three cents" and comments from the other members. As for school and nasty teachers,** I'm reminded about the state of numismatic education in America. Thankfully, Coin Talk has contributed a great deal to fill the gap. I'm looking forward to learning more about NGC and your unusual and possibly unique rare coin.

*** "Nasty" is a personal perception. My teachers were Jesuits.
A snowflake might consider them to be "nasty."

Best regards.

 

The facts are that the coin has been manipulated/altered after it left the mint. It is worth one cent, even despite the fact that you spent $20 plus dollars to try and certify it.

If you spent anytime reading the definition that Robec posted.
I will type it out again.

Mechanical Damage:
IN WHICH CONTACT BETWEEN THE COIN AND ANY OTHER OBJECT LEAVES PERMANENT DAMAGE.

You might read that again just to confirm that your coin was damaged and missing plating because someone did it afterter it left the mint.

I would say that someone is in denial, and it's not me.

 

I think that says it all. "non-mint made curvature"

 

This is the email I received from NGC:
Your request, 'NGC Cert # 6858024-002' has been updated. To add additional comments, reply to this email.
Ticket ID: 344771


Kailee S (Certified Collectibles Group)

Nov 8, 2023, 10:17 EST

Hello Tony,

Thank you for contacting us. If our grading team determined the coin was counterfeit, this would take precedence over the coin being given the bent designation. We do not grade/encapsulate counterfeit coins, so this would have been rejected if that were the case. While we cannot comment on why the coin did not receive additional notations about the plating, we can assure you that all collectibles are reviewed by multiple professionals to ensure the most accurate grade is given. If you feel the coin was over-graded and is in your possession, you may send it in under the appearance review service to be re-evaluated.

Please let us know if you have any additional questions. Thank you!

Kailee S.
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Counterfeit and Damaged are completely different. What does that have to do with a damaged/altered coin?

 

Everyone agrees the slab shows an accurate grade. AU Details.

 

If the coin was plated outside the Mint, it is an ALTERED COIN made to defraud the unknowing collector. In the old days, coins that were altered with reengraved details, plating, etc. were sent back without Photo Certification papers/slab. Now, with details grading, they are certified for what they are. IMO, fake plating done to make a coin resemble a Mint error should be noted even if the coin is not bent!