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Message:: [QUOTE="John Burgess, post: 7626096, member: 105098"]Hard to explain but I'll give it a go. I believe the 1981 is roller lines. all improper alloy "woodys" I've seen, the lines just aren't so perpendicular and at some point get blotchy from the improper alloy being spread out when rolled. looking like wood grains. it's not uniform, and rarely is from obverse to reverse although the lines go in the same direction on a coin flip, the blotchiness streaks and spreads in the direction of the sheet rolling. Roller lines stay uniform and straight and perpendicular to each other because it happens during rolling and not before it's scratching, it's the same direction on obverse and reverse on a coin flip as well, but there's no streaking or "flow" to it, just lines. -If someone were crazy enough to clean a woody to remove the toning, all of the metal would be the same color again as it was in mint state and fresh, and then it would re-tone at different speeds in the same places again due to the metal not being alloyed well. -Roller lines if you cleaned it and stripped off the toning, the lines would still be there in the surface of the coin. they are visible from day one,  those lines are basically catching dirt with time and the lows getting darker than the highs of the scratches in the planchet. only examples I have really of either so sorry if I posted this stuff a couple times a year and you've seen it before and bored of these pictures. LOL Woody:[ATTACH=full]1312073[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1312075[/ATTACH] Roller Lines:[ATTACH=full]1312074[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1312076[/ATTACH] My opinion, everything on this page so far is a woody, except the 1981 and the 2005 I just posted. there's a clear visual difference between the two that gives them away although it's impossible to tell the secret the woody is hiding if it's MS Red. Roller lines are apparent even when it's mint fresh.[/QUOTE]

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