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<p>[QUOTE="John Burgess, post: 7743250, member: 105098"]not trying to step on anyones toes of course but they are roller marks/roller lines. the go to call every time one of these pops up is "woodie", and I get it, but it just isn't.</p><p><br /></p><p>there's a good small article about them on it here (I know it's an odd website for this type of thing, it's a lawfirm site, but trust me)</p><p><a href="https://www.vosslawfirm.com/library/coin-fraud-article-roller-marks-on-morgan-dollars.cfm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.vosslawfirm.com/library/coin-fraud-article-roller-marks-on-morgan-dollars.cfm" rel="nofollow">https://www.vosslawfirm.com/library/coin-fraud-article-roller-marks-on-morgan-dollars.cfm</a></p><p><br /></p><p>it's definitely not a woodie, those lines are way to straight and parallel to be an improper mixing of the alloy, it's way too uniform and consistent for a bad alloy mix.</p><p><br /></p><p>not only that, but I've seen quite a few 1980s with these lines myself and even on this site and other coin sites, here's a few more, these aren't my coins or pictures though. not sure who's they are. there are many examples for 1980 and 1980D My guess is the rolling machine to bring the planchets to spec thickness had really worn out rollers that needed replacing that year. In all examples, those lines are way too straight and parallel and uniform with each other to be an improper alloy mix which will depend heavily on how the alloy cools as to how it appears when it tones.</p><p>roller lines = quite uniform and consistent lines</p><p>improper alloy mix = usually very random in appearance. sometime wood grained, sometimes blotchy, it's inconsistent from coin to coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1325712[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1325713[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1325714[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1325719[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm sure I could find more if I keep digging, like I said there's a lot of them for 1980, the only difference is the direction of the lines but that's due to them being struck however it laid in the press at the time, the lines would all technically be in the same direction on the coining sheet as it was brought to spec thickness until it's punched out and then struck in different directions.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="John Burgess, post: 7743250, member: 105098"]not trying to step on anyones toes of course but they are roller marks/roller lines. the go to call every time one of these pops up is "woodie", and I get it, but it just isn't. there's a good small article about them on it here (I know it's an odd website for this type of thing, it's a lawfirm site, but trust me) [URL]https://www.vosslawfirm.com/library/coin-fraud-article-roller-marks-on-morgan-dollars.cfm[/URL] it's definitely not a woodie, those lines are way to straight and parallel to be an improper mixing of the alloy, it's way too uniform and consistent for a bad alloy mix. not only that, but I've seen quite a few 1980s with these lines myself and even on this site and other coin sites, here's a few more, these aren't my coins or pictures though. not sure who's they are. there are many examples for 1980 and 1980D My guess is the rolling machine to bring the planchets to spec thickness had really worn out rollers that needed replacing that year. In all examples, those lines are way too straight and parallel and uniform with each other to be an improper alloy mix which will depend heavily on how the alloy cools as to how it appears when it tones. roller lines = quite uniform and consistent lines improper alloy mix = usually very random in appearance. sometime wood grained, sometimes blotchy, it's inconsistent from coin to coin. [ATTACH=full]1325712[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1325713[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1325714[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1325719[/ATTACH] I'm sure I could find more if I keep digging, like I said there's a lot of them for 1980, the only difference is the direction of the lines but that's due to them being struck however it laid in the press at the time, the lines would all technically be in the same direction on the coining sheet as it was brought to spec thickness until it's punched out and then struck in different directions.[/QUOTE]
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