1979 p quarter struck on wrong stock?

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  1. bryantallard

    bryantallard show me the money....so i can look through it

    Other coins that people sell on dime stock I see weigh 4.1g but this one is 4.9g could it still be struck on dime stock or other?
     

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  3. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    Are you sure you're looking at the right info?
    Are you sure your scale is accurate?

    According to Wikipedia, the target weights for a Washington quarter are:

    Mass (silver) 6.25 g, (clad) 5.67 g, (silver clad) 5.75 g

    I'm still looking for the tolerances, but I was wondering where you got the "4.1g" number.

    (I realize that 4.9g is still way off the numbers I quoted above)
     
  4. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    great contest! figure out who is right and who is rong. ;D
     
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  6. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Could be just a rolled thin planchet.
    A clad dime planchet weighs 2.268g.
     
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  7. David Setree Rare Coins

    David Setree Rare Coins Well-Known Member

    I have the 1970 D quarter dollar struck on dime stock.

    My educated guess is this is struck on end-of-strip stock. Just before it ends, it sometimes thins out.
     
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  8. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    If there is no copper showing on the edge, my guess would be struck on a nickel planchet which would be the correct weight
     
  9. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Probably struck on rolled thin stock but not struck on dime stock thickness. A quarter struck on dime stock would weigh about 4.16 grams

    And not when we say struck on dime stock that does NOT mean struck on a dime planchet. It means struck on a quarter sized planchet cut from strip rolled to the thickness used for dimes. The area of a quarter planchet is 1.83 times that of a dime, so a dime stock quarter would weigh 1.83 times that of a dime or 2.27 grams * 1.83 = 4.16 grams.

    Hommer has a good point about the five cent piece planchet. The diameter would also be slightly smaller than a regular quarter and most likely part of the inscriptions would be off the planchet in some areas. (Never mind this part, the pictures show that it is not on a five cent piece planchet. Back to rolled thin.)
     
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  10. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    Rolled thin. I would weigh it again when you have turned off your scale and turn it back on and press tare before you put the quarter back on.
     
  11. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Looks like a worn circulated Quarter. IMHO.
     
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  12. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    Did you read his description? Circulation takes off that much weight?
     
  13. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I agree to rolled thin.

    But you are misunderstanding.. It would not be struck on a Dime Planchet but on stock intended for Dimes that were cut into Quarter Planchets.
     
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  14. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I know... Just wanted to start some trouble ;).. I'm bored.
     
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  15. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Here are 2 from my collection - look at the weights -
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  16. davidh

    davidh soloist gnomic

    Let's see a picture of the edge. If it was struck on a nickel planchet there would be no copper showing and the reeding might be absent.
     
  17. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    If it was struck on a nickel planchet some of the peripheral lettering would be crowding the edge or missing.
     
  18. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    If it was on nickel stock, I could tell instantly with my detector.
    But while a nickel planchet is 5 grams, if the nickel stock was rolled out for a quarter, it would be heavier and not lighter than 5 grams.
    Nickel is thicker, but the quarter is larger. It's not nickel.
    Nickel thickness 1.95 mm quarter thickness 1.75 mm. Diameter of a nickel 21.21 mm diameter of a quarter 24.26 mm.
    Density of nickel 8.908 g/cm3 density of copper 8.96 g/cm3.
    So if someone could take the size of a quarter, and thickness,
    using nickel stock they could figure out the weight. My guess it is heavier than 4.9 grams.
     
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  19. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Area of a quarter is 1.3 times that of a nickel so a quarter on nickel stock would be 5 gm * 1.3 = 6.5 grams
     
  20. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    A nickel is 75% copper, so the densities are very close.
    A clad quarter weighs 5.67g. I was thinking in the 6 range, but that was just a guess.
    My first impression (if this coin is legit) is a thinly rolled planchet.
    But dime stock is possible, what kind of strike would that make?
     
  21. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Too heavy for dime stock. Even if the dime stock was rolled slightly thick so that dimes punched from it would weight the maximum tolerance weight, quarters punched from it would still only weigh 4.33 grams. The OP coin weighs 4.9 grams more than half a gram more than that.
     
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