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<p>[QUOTE="19Lyds, post: 2281559, member: 15929"]I can think of absolutely no reason within the limitations of the current manufacturing processes where a "3" would ever need to be punched over another "3".</p><p><br /></p><p>The dates for US Coins have not been hand stamped or hand punched for over a 100 years and dies simply do not get the level of scrutiny that most new coin collectors give the coins produced by those dies.</p><p><br /></p><p>When examining coins for error's and encountering a perceived anomaly, the very first thing the examiner must ask themselves is "Exactly what could have caused this anomaly during the die manufacturing process OR during the minting process?"</p><p><br /></p><p>Granted, there are some very minor doubled dies out there that require some degree of knowledge to understand them but then, that die doubling occurs during the die manufacturing processes and if doubling has occurred on the "3" of the date, then doubling would also have occurred on the "7" of the date and possibly other devices on the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>The process of elimination can be very tedious and require a lot of knowledge on the part of the examiner. For newbies, questions should include good, high quality photographs which annotate the specific areas in question. Light sources should be adjusted so that the area in question can actually be seen.</p><p><br /></p><p>For example, what are you asking about?</p><p><br /></p><p>This?</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]455994[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Or This?</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]455993[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I used "Right Click/Open With/Paint" to create the arrows. </p><p><br /></p><p>As an examiner, you should familiarize yourself with certain aspects of coin design. Specifically, were two different "styles" of 3 used in 1973?</p><p><br /></p><p>James Wiles has an excellent resource available to the public which coin examiners can access for free.</p><p><br /></p><p>Go to: <a href="http://www.varietyvista.com/Lincoln%20Cent%20ODV%20Changes.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.varietyvista.com/Lincoln%20Cent%20ODV%20Changes.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.varietyvista.com/Lincoln Cent ODV Changes.htm</a></p><p><br /></p><p>to view the various design changes that have been documented by CONECA over the years.</p><p><br /></p><p>While you are there, select the HOME button at the top of the page and spend some time reading what has been posted and pictured regarding coin designs, mintmark designs and known doubled dies.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.varietyvista.com/index.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.varietyvista.com/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.varietyvista.com/index.htm</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.varietyvista.com/Doubled%20Dies.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.varietyvista.com/Doubled%20Dies.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.varietyvista.com/Doubled Dies.htm</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.varietyvista.com/Mintmark%20Styles.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.varietyvista.com/Mintmark%20Styles.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.varietyvista.com/Mintmark Styles.htm</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Use these resources to formulate your questions and proivide accurate photographs to be sure that folks understand what you are asking.</p><p><br /></p><p>It appears that you have the proper equipment for photography, all you need to do is start adjusting your light source and then annotate your photo's so that folks will know specifically what you are referring to.</p><p><br /></p><p>You're not really new to this subject but it's time that you start investing in yourself by increasing your specific knowledge beyond the "Does this look strange?" level.</p><p><br /></p><p>Respectfully, Lee[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="19Lyds, post: 2281559, member: 15929"]I can think of absolutely no reason within the limitations of the current manufacturing processes where a "3" would ever need to be punched over another "3". The dates for US Coins have not been hand stamped or hand punched for over a 100 years and dies simply do not get the level of scrutiny that most new coin collectors give the coins produced by those dies. When examining coins for error's and encountering a perceived anomaly, the very first thing the examiner must ask themselves is "Exactly what could have caused this anomaly during the die manufacturing process OR during the minting process?" Granted, there are some very minor doubled dies out there that require some degree of knowledge to understand them but then, that die doubling occurs during the die manufacturing processes and if doubling has occurred on the "3" of the date, then doubling would also have occurred on the "7" of the date and possibly other devices on the coin. The process of elimination can be very tedious and require a lot of knowledge on the part of the examiner. For newbies, questions should include good, high quality photographs which annotate the specific areas in question. Light sources should be adjusted so that the area in question can actually be seen. For example, what are you asking about? This? [ATTACH=full]455994[/ATTACH] Or This? [ATTACH=full]455993[/ATTACH] I used "Right Click/Open With/Paint" to create the arrows. As an examiner, you should familiarize yourself with certain aspects of coin design. Specifically, were two different "styles" of 3 used in 1973? James Wiles has an excellent resource available to the public which coin examiners can access for free. Go to: [url]http://www.varietyvista.com/Lincoln%20Cent%20ODV%20Changes.htm[/url] to view the various design changes that have been documented by CONECA over the years. While you are there, select the HOME button at the top of the page and spend some time reading what has been posted and pictured regarding coin designs, mintmark designs and known doubled dies. [url]http://www.varietyvista.com/index.htm[/url] [url]http://www.varietyvista.com/Doubled%20Dies.htm[/url] [url]http://www.varietyvista.com/Mintmark%20Styles.htm[/url] Use these resources to formulate your questions and proivide accurate photographs to be sure that folks understand what you are asking. It appears that you have the proper equipment for photography, all you need to do is start adjusting your light source and then annotate your photo's so that folks will know specifically what you are referring to. You're not really new to this subject but it's time that you start investing in yourself by increasing your specific knowledge beyond the "Does this look strange?" level. Respectfully, Lee[/QUOTE]
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