1972 ddo-004?....definitely ddo

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  1. SEAN RICHARD

    SEAN RICHARD Member

    1972 ddo ....i looked for 3 hours at this thing and at copper coins and variety vista.... It's seems to be the 004 all the marks.... I can post full picture of coin later but I'm stoked this thing is in great shape... Red in color not many dings and marks.... I think I can pull a 65 or dare I say a 66 out of this
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    No. Definitely NOT 004.
    TBH, I'm even having a hard time seeing any doubling what-so-ever.
     
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  4. Stevearino

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  5. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    It's a good thing that cameras using roll-film went out of vogue decades ago!

    Chris
     
  6. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I only take pictures of coins with my polaroid. Then I scan the pictures on my 50dpi scanner. I think it really helps to show things when you can see every individual pixel.
     
  7. SEAN RICHARD

    SEAN RICHARD Member

    Definitely not hard to see the doubling.... Might be the 016 my trying now to attribute it
     
  8. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Well-Known Member

    What we have here is the famous, MDO ..
    Lol ..
    http://doubleddie.com/384301.html

    1972 1¢ WMDO-001 Doubled Master Die

    Description: An extremely close Class I CW spread shows on the letters of LIBERTY, IGWT, and the horizontal bar of the 2 in the date. On early die state specimens the E of WE appears to show tripling suggesting a CCW spread in addition to the CW spread.

    Die Markers: Obverse: The affected master die shows a short die gouge extending eastward inside the upper S of TRUST. Other obverse die markers will vary with the different working dies that were affected. Reverse: Die markers will vary with the different working dies that were affected.

    Submitted By: John A. Wexler

    Cross References: CONECA: MD-1-O-I-CW+II-C (formerly listed as MD-5-O-I-CW+II-C), Crawford: CDDO-005 (MD)

    Values: No extra value!!!

    Comments: Shortly after the various obverse doubled die cent varieties were produced that year, the Lincoln cent master die for 1972 failed and a new one had to be produced. Clearly the Mint was having problems that year with the hubbing process as was evidenced by the many doubled die varieties produced. Those problems carried over to the second master die that was produced for the Lincoln cents that year. That second master die was produced with minor doubling. It is estimated that the doubled master die was created somewhere around April or May of 1972. All of the Lincoln cents struck by working dies that descended from the doubled master die show this minor doubling. The doubling can be seen on the letters of IGWT, the letters of LIBERTY, and very slightly on the date. Since 60% to 70% of all Lincoln cents for 1972 show this doubling, it is far too common to have any value. This includes 1972 D-Mint, S-Mint, and proof coins produced that year. Newer doubled die collectors should be very careful if responding to ads for 1972 doubled die Lincoln cents. There are individuals out there trying to sell specimens of this doubled master die for premiums far in excess of what they should be. You should not be paying more than the normal numismatic value of a 1972 cent for 1972 cents with this master die doubling. Those trying to sell them to unsuspecting buyers advertise them as “genuine doubled dies” which they are. The ads are truthful in that respect, but they fail to tell you that it is a specimen of the doubled master die that can easily be found without paying a premium for it. Back when they were first listed they were assigned a listing number of 1972 1¢ MD-5-O-I+II. Those trying to sell them at a premium identify them as “5-O-I+II” but they leave off the master die indicator “MD.” If you are fairly new to doubled die collecting, don’t let yourself fall victim to these scams. If you would like to add a specimen of the doubled master die to your collection for educational purposes, go out and look for them yourself. Since the majority of 1972 cents show this doubling, you should easily find one for the cost of a “regular” 1972 Lincoln cent.

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  9. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    No. It is not doubled.
     
  10. TexAg

    TexAg Well-Known Member

    Phew! That’s quite the write up from Wexler. I think I’ll stick with my 1974-D DDO, much easier for me to see with my magnifier.
     
  11. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    That's just the crappy master doubled die. Not even the good ones :)
     
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  12. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    The OP posted 10 images. How much do you think it would have costed to process those images from roll-film? Roll-film for 20 coins? 100 coins?

    Chris
     
  13. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Haha. I don't even remember the last time I paid to process a roll of film. Maybe 15 years ago?
     
  14. TexAg

    TexAg Well-Known Member

    I seem to remember it was about $4 to process a roll but, like FF said, that was along time ago. I bet Polaroid film isn’t cheap nowadays. At least you don’t have to wait on processing!
     
  15. Stevearino

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    I found a roll of film in an old camera a few weeks ago. 24 exp. color film. Had no idea what was on it, so sent it in. Should have asked the price first: $15.00! And most of the prints had washed out from being in the camera so long. I could have bought a coin for that 15 bucks.

    Steve
     
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  16. SEAN RICHARD

    SEAN RICHARD Member

    Well yes I did read up on master hub doubled die for that year.... That is correct..... I had Chuck from copper coins verify that for me.... As to the person that cannot see the doubling.... Not sure why it's clear as day and the pictures I took seem to me are just fine..... Yes they could be better from a high tech camera but I think these pictures are really good compared to others I've seen. I use a microscope with image capture and I'm loving the way I can see everything and capture the image. Thank you all for your responses and just when u know u have a wonderful DDO.... In comes more knowledge to tell u keep searching
     
  17. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Lol
     
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