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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;foundinrolls, post: 578731, member: 4350&quot;]Hi,</p><p><br /></p><p>What gets a little frustrating is seeing someone leave a forum because of something like this.</p><p><br /></p><p>The hardest thing to explain is that not all things doubled are from doubled dies.&nbsp; Some look to the untrained eye, very much like what they would expect to see on a doubled die but then it turns out to be machine doubling.</p><p><br /></p><p>The amount of doubling also makes no difference.&nbsp; A doubled die has certain distinct characteristics that we look for and can consistently identify.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>A coin with Machine doubling also has certain distinct characteristics that we look for and can consistently identify.</p><p><br /></p><p>There is no doubt that the first coin in the thread exhibits machine doubling and it has all the characteristics needed to ID it as Machine doubling.&nbsp; It has none of the characteristics needed to attribute it as a doubled die.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Doubling does not automatically mean doubled die.</p><p><br /></p><p>I would humbly suggest that rather than use the doubling as a way to discern a doubled die from something else,&nbsp; that you take a look at the many websites that explain the differences between the characteristics.&nbsp; A search on this site would probably turn up some good results.</p><p><br /></p><p>I understand your frustration but it is not because the coin is really a doubled die and we are saying it isn&#039;t.&nbsp; It is really because you are not sure yet just how to identify a doubled die based upon the specific characteristics.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>There are some situations where a doubled die can look like machine doubling if a first hubbing was pretty light and was then followed up by a proper hubbing.&nbsp; There is not an example of machine doubling that I have ever seen that can fool me into thinking it was a doubled die.&nbsp; That is how different the characteristics are.</p><p><br /></p><p>Please reconsider.&nbsp; as there is a lot to learn.&nbsp; At the beginning as I got into the study of die varieties,&nbsp; I got pretty frustrated too.</p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks,</p><p>Bill[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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