1969s penny question

This is usually a form of it that some people collect. I don't but some do.

 

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Personally I don't think labels matter at all as long as the person knows what I am talking about. Seems the majority do on this site, so abbreviating just makes it easier to get my point across. As long as the majority get it, the rest need to catch up. I just have fun looking for them! I like to share on here sometimes and that is what also makes it enjoyable.

 

jcuve has it right for starters, Machine doubling does not have to effect everything the same way.

In the case of your coin, look at the top of the 1 and the top of the 9 in the date. They are both doubled to use your directions to the north of the digits. That's the same direction that you say your S is doubled.

The next thing is since the die moved in one direction (you call it north south), you will get doubling on the right side of the details on the date. Although you don't see it yet, the doubling is consistent based upon the direction of the damage. Outside right of the 1, outside loop of the 9, inside loop of the 6 and again, outside loop of the 9.

So what you see as east/ west doubling on the date was caused by the same thing as the north /south appearance on the S.

It is classic, flat, shelf-like doubling that tells us it is machine doubled. There is no evidence of die deterioration doubling on that date or the fields of the coin. AND... there is no die doubling at all.

Thanks,
Bill O'

 

Maybe I will just confuse you a little further, but remembering back to when I first started, I had the mistaken idea that in machine doubling, the die was loose and would rotate in the die holder producing the situation you hold. Later I learned and figured out that the looseness would allow a pivoting if one part of the die didn't move by friction or whatever, allowing the rest of the die to pivot slightly around that point, so the doubling appearance would be in different directions and different amounts depending on distance from the pivot. But I agree that the movement of the mint mark is consistent with the movement of the date. No Doubled die.

Jim

 

1 more thing it confuse us even more, it maybe a small s over a large S???

 

Thank's guys for the great advice. I don't believe that I ever said it was DD. What I was trying to say (and I might add, poorly) was... it might be a two s's on the coin. Is it at all possible that there is a large s under the the small one on top?

 

jello,

no confusion at all, no large or small S mintmarks. They only used one sized punch for 1969 cents. so it is impossible. this S is not an RPM at all. It is just machine doubled.

Thanks,
Bill

 

Hey, I am from the old school. DD means only one thing... Deputy Dog. Get em Dawg...

 

There's no doubt that the MM is Machine doubling.
John

 

Looks like Md to me on the MM
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