1968 D lincoln cent dropped element?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Avery G., Mar 7, 2021.

  1. Avery G.

    Avery G. Active Member

    On the reverse, i noticed in the memorial bldg above the image what appeared to be a dropped design element from the face of bldg above where image is. What is this? Error or not? I believe it's a dropped element. Anyone has knowledge on this?
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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Not sure , you mean above Lincoln ? Looks like a spot.
     
  4. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    Same size and shape as the designs between the horizontals above him. But whether this is a dropped element is beyond my experience level. Wait for others
     
  5. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    Looks like a punch mark or maybe from a nail.
     
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  6. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    A Dropped Element, retained or not, is the strikethrough of an accumulation of grease and debris that builds up in the recesses of a device and hardens from repeatedly striking planchets as they enter the coining chamber. They can take on all sorts of shapes. It may take the complete shape of a device or just a portion of one. Some don't really look like anything, and you just have to guess where they may have originated.

    Below are some examples that I found in one Mint $50 bag of 1980 Lincoln Cents.

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    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

  8. Avery G.

    Avery G. Active Member

    Through the use of overlay, i determined that the anomaly on the obverse neck area was as a result of the said error on reverse. The second pic shows damage below the neck area that is obviously different from the anomaly on neck. Shape appears similar to the error on reverse.

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  9. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    It looks like the coin took a hit to me. Not a dropped element, not a strikethrough.
     
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  10. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    The neck is a bag mark and the reverse is damage. I see nothing that resembles a dropped element.
    @Avery G. please explain how a dropped filling can affect both the obverse and reverse at the same time?
     
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  11. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Agree with the others, it looks like a hit or punch mark. The center of the circle is indented on the coin. That wouldn't happen on a dropped element error. The raised area is displaced metal from the hit

    What design element matches the shape of the anomaly?
     
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  12. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I think you're stretching a little, here. If you could manage to re-describe in less-obscure diction we might have a chance of getting somewhere. Nonetheless from what I can decipher your "dropped element" isn't going to show on the other side, so forget that theory, and get back to the reverse. Certainly the shape is right for a dropper, and that black area within is quite typical of these errors, as well. Notice I didn't say these "anomalies." That's because I'm trying to communicate rather than obfuscate. Fuzzy terms obfuscate, they don't communicate.

    Having said that, and provided you're still with me, take a look at Chris' pics. It would be helpful if we had some of like clarity and sharpness in assessing this "error." Try to get us some of it, just like Chris'. I'm seeing Nessie the Loch Ness Monster in your pics for all the good they're doing from any diagnostic standpoint. Get us those and we'll re-start there. We need that precision in a question like this. This has a chance. I wouldn't be asking if it didn't.
     
  13. Avery G.

    Avery G. Active Member

    I will attempt to get better pics.
     
  14. Avery G.

    Avery G. Active Member

    Here are 2 more pics. If this is a dropped element, it would explain the dark area(dropped filling) around the element that was dropped. The size and shape of the anomaly is evidence of its similarity to the design on horizontal face of memorial over area of dropped element. Given the size of the tiny area of said anomaly, to say that it took a hit or that it's damage doesn't make sense. Something hit the coin and made an image of the same size and shape of a specific design already present on coin is unbelievable to me. New errors are discovered now and again, right? It's more likely to be a dropped element, than damage of some sort. Imo

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  15. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It looks like raised metal on all sides so I'm thinking PMD.
     
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  16. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

  17. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Obviously, you have your mind made up regardless of the information provided. Next time you're positive you have a hard to find error, just send it to CONECA for attribution.

    https://conecaonline.org/attribution-services/

    ANACS and ICG also provides error attribution at reasonable rates.

    If the consensus of members on CT (many who are error experts) don't think you have anything, you'll absolutely need third party attribution for anybody to believe its an error.

    Edit to add:

    When you said in post 13 "...if this Is a dropped element, it would explain the dark area (dropped filling)..." Makes no sense. Do you really know know how a dropped element occurs? The "dropped filling" isn't going to leave a stain.
     
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  18. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    looks like damage to me sometimes people just can't accept the truth.
     
  19. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    PMD in my opinion. Better luck next time.
     
  20. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    As Collecting Nut notes, in the earlier pictures it appears that there is raised/displaced material around the indentation. That and the shape is what led me to believe it was a mark made by a nail or a pick/punch. You have the coin so you should be able to see if that's the case or not and as Oldhoopster suggests, you have options to pursue that are low/lower cost for an expert opinion (i.e. CONECA).
     
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  21. Avery G.

    Avery G. Active Member

    No offense guys. Tell me why it can not be a dropped element. Instead of being offended. That will show off your knowledge and validate you as a knowledgeable coin collector, and yes, new coin collectors like to understand why you're saying what you're saying about the coin. If that's asking too much, i apologize for all of us.
     
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