1965 Special Mint Set

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by green18, May 22, 2011.

  1. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    Would be even better if it was a clad! and for the record, in 1965 the US Mint was making Clad coinage, just not the halves. It is conceivable that one could have been struck on a clad planchet but highly unlikely.

    I am with Doug, you can't see a copper stripe on a 40% clad half because the core isn't pure copper!
     
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  3. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    Right, they were striking clad coinage in 1965, but not halves. So, they didn't have clad planchets for halves in 1965. If it was struck on a clad planchet...it would have to be a quarter or dime planchet which would be obviously small.

    That said, to my knowledge I have never seen a 40% half with obvious copper showing. I just looked at a whole roll of them and none had it.
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Not at all, that's why it's weird.

    Think about this - a nickel is made of 25% nickel and 75% copper. It's a solid alloy. But what part of a nickel even remotely looks like copper ? You ever seen one ? I sure haven't.

    Now the 40% halves. The outer layer is made of a soild alloy too - 80% silver and 20% copper. So how can copper show on the edge ? It doesn't on a nickel.

    Now somebody is going to say but the half has a pure copper inner core. And you're right it does. But that pure copper inner core is smaller in diameter than the finished coin. And the inner core is completely wrapped, including the edge, in an 80% silver alloy.

    So no copper should ever show on the edge. That's why I say the only thing that makes sense to me is that the planchet for that coin was an anomally. Somehow, a planchet with an inner copper core of a larger diameter got into the mix. Which is what allowed the copper to show on the edge.
     
  5. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    um, no, Doug. It doesn't. The inner core is also an alloy of .791 copper and .209 silver - also an alloy and not showing ANY pure copper stripe because there is no pure copper component in the planchet.
     
  6. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Mike Noodle is right.

    http://www.coinfacts.com/half_dollars/kennedy_half_dollars/1965_half_dollar.htm

    The 100% copper core didn't come out until 1971.

    Additionally, no "coin core" is completely "wrapped" in cladding since coins are gang punched out of strips of clad material.

    I'm quite surprised that Doug even made that statement regarding 40% Silver Kennedy's.
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I stand corrected. But doesn't matter. What I said about the copper edge not showing because of the alloy is correct.
     
  8. statequarterguy

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    Hmm, just checked again and I can see the core. It is less red than a 71 half because the core is part silver.

    It must be Doug is so old, his eye sight was already gone when these 65's came out.
     
  9. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    that quarter clearly needs to be sent in for authentication because with the large copper stripe that you have pictured, I will go out on a limb and say that it is clearly NOT on the correct planchet.

    There are no copper stripes on 40% clad halves, quarters or dollars.
     
  10. Merc Crazy

    Merc Crazy Bumbling numismatic fool

    There is a line of separation between the alloys of all 40% planchets. It can be extremely difficult to see, but it is there. Take this info from someone who has found nearly 500 40% halves in circulation in the past year; me.
     
  11. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    that may be true, but that seperation is not, nor will it ever be seen as a copper stripe
     
  12. Merc Crazy

    Merc Crazy Bumbling numismatic fool

    On well-circulated examples, it does turn a color that is just slightly off of what a Cupro-Nickel planchet displays. I've got plenty of examples if you really want to see... Just give me a day.
     
  13. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    The copper-nickel planchet will weight .2 of a gram less than a 40% Silver planchet while a 90% Silver planchet will weight nearly a full gram more than either of the clads. A simple weight comparison should be the first step.

    As for the alloy core showing on these planchets, I have seen what appears to be a different colored edge and I've also seen whats appears to be a solid white edge of which both scenarios exist with coppernickel planchets as well.

    However, a 100% copper core would always have a bright copper edge.

    90% Silver Weight = 12.5 grams (+/-)
    40% Silver Weight = 11.5 grams (+/-)
    Cn Clad weight = 11.3 grams (+/-)
     
  14. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    There all so a 1967 non SMS issued to my grand mother owned a bank her Dad opened. she would get me Morgan& Peace roll and anything to keep me from hanging out . the bank in Catskill NY caller Tanners Bank till she owned 1906- 1980.I have 1 roll and few lose one here a photo of it & regular SMS
     

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  15. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Sorry to bump this but a year and a half later I finally come across a scale.

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    Both coins weigh exactly the same. 11.5 grams
     
  16. Phil Ham

    Phil Ham Hamster

    Darn those scales!
     
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