1965 MS64 SMS Kennedy DDO/DDR ? What Say You?

I will post the information about this one. If I remember right the conversation was that it was not attributed because he wrote the wrong attribution down? Now this is a whole other question but do you have to be 100% right? I mean that is what THEY do right? Do the coin itself has NONE. Lets now think outside the box and see...ANACS under the gun..

 

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So the question was it a DDR or DDO?

I got my guide out and since some here might not know, I will post what the Cherry Pickers has for the coin in question.

 

CONECA currently lists 5 DDOs and 4 DDRs for 1965 SMS halves, so you might not have an exact match to FS-801 and still have a DDR. ANACS has two different variety tiers. For $7/coin they'll verify the variety you supply. For $12, they'll do the research to see which variety it is. I assume that if you misattribute a coin and submit it for veriification, unless the correct variety is obvious and takes almost no additional research, it'll be left off the holder. If the coin was submitted with "FS-801" as the variety to be verified and it wasn't, it comes back in an unattributed holder.

 

Fair enough here are the close ups...

 

And the next 5

 

Nice SMS, Looks like a DDR to me.

 

The stars are not doubled as in the CPG, however on some you can see the splits..the OF for sure has the split serif on the F and the O, just not to the degree in the picture in the CPG.

Funny thing is, I marked it DDO when I got home......It has doubling on the Obverse for sure...

 

So my verdict is it is NOT one of the 801's as it does not look as good as the one in the CPG. However it is a DDR/DDO but what variety to attribute , I have no clue...That is where I ask for help from the experts!

 

Yours looks very close to me, and the DDO makes it very likely IMO. I looked at the photos in my CPGC, and I believe I see two possible markers. I've taken your CPG photo and highlighted them, but you can see them better in the CPG photo itself. One is a north-south die scratch inside the o in "of" and the other is a north-south die scratch between the horizontal bars of the f in "of". See if you can pick those up on yours.

 

If PCGS is attributing correctly, then you've got it. If you look at the 66 example they have photographed, you'll see the exact same north-south die polish marks off of the last T in "TRUST".

 

I can not see it??? I am trying please be patient with me.. here are some close ups..

 

I can not see any Die Polish marks in which you speak of in that small picture. I need new glasses as I have tried with lights and no lights...

 

Ethan,

Here's your image:



And here's the 66 example that PCGS shows on their Coinfacts page:



Nice pick up. See if you also see two long die polish marks in front of the forehead stretching all the way from the hair to almost the nose.

 

Thanks jallengomez! I went to PCGS and downloaded the 15MB File and ZOOMED. I see what you mean, mine does have it for sure....I did not know you could do that! +100 to you sir!



Mine has them...

 

What program to you add the arrows with?

 

Congrats Ethan. That's a great pick up!

I use Photoshop CS5.

Jody

 

BINGO! The Die lines are on the Face also.....PCGS Photo..and Mine


I am SO excited, I paid $30 for it. Do not worry, the guy still made monies off of me but he was SO pissed at ANACS and PCGS for that matter. He showed me a SMS penny that did not CAM. I was dumbfounded it did not.

So for $30 I did good.......thanks Jody!

Any ideas what a MS64 is worth thereabouts? I want to add at least one winner in my spreadsheet....

 

In PCGS plastic, I would think $80-$100 at auction. A PCGS 65 just sold for $116 on Great Collections back in December. Not a bad return on investment.

 

Ethan,

I will try to take a few pictures within the next couple of days. I just got a box back form James Wiles (40 + Kennedy half dollars). Two of the coins were graded and attributed by PCGS as 1965 SMS FS-801; the first one graded MS67 and the second one was graded MS67CAM, Dr. Wiles states that the first coin was “too minor to list” and the second one was the DDR-003. I did have a raw coin in the package that Dr. Wiles attributed as the DDO-004 / DDR-001 which is the proper coin for the FS-801 designation.

All I’m saying here is maybe it isn’t such a great idea to use pictures from PCGS without using some caution.

Tim

 

PCGS gets it wrong at times, but the key is that Ethan has a DDO/DDR. That rules out a lot. Given the matching doubling, I would say it's 801.