1965 Churchill English Crown Specimen vs Business strike

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  1. Bmagold

    Bmagold Member

    This coin has haunted me. I cant seem to find much info on the specimen Churchill 1965 English crown. I have never asked the computer a question and not gotten a good answer to until I asked for auction results of this coin. I am completely stumped on it and when I try to find more info I get more questions than answers. The only info I find is in the KP world coin cat. that lists it at 1650.00 at MS 60 and states "Satin Finish" From what I can tell there are only 2 var. and the only thing I am certain of is I have both. I have exhausted every avenue I can to figure this one out. I am new at this and not so good with the computer but I will supply pics as follows
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  3. Lawtoad

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  4. cpm9ball

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    Thanks for the link! I have five of these that I acquired at a garage sale about 15 years ago, and I've never been able to tell which they are. Sadly, I don't see any die polishing lines on mine. C'est la vie!
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  5. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    The only thing that should haunt you about this coin is the hideous mug of Churchill :p
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  6. Maxfli

    Maxfli Well-Known Member

    Seriously? I've always thought that's one of the most creative and compelling portraits I've ever seen on a coin. I applaud the designer for resisting more obvious and mundane solutions. Like they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :D
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  7. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Yup. One man's trash is another man's treasure ;):p
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  8. Bmagold

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    Here are some images of my coins both var. and some comparison shots
    So can anyone confirm that there are just the two var. And if I am absolutely certain that I have both that it would be reasonable that 1 would be the specimen and 1 would be the business strike I have a pic of both showing unfortunately the only test I can't do is a silver test as the coin I believe to be the specimen has already been slabbed and graded but in comparison the slabbed coin has a satin finish more so than the other. In addition the hole in the R of Churchill matches to the specimen I really could use some input from anyone who knows this coin. I would be ever so grateful thanks

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  9. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    Neither are the specimen matte type. The PCGS citation above shows one that I would accept.
    The specimen matte varieties are with and without "ON" designer initials at bust.

    The business/currency strikes are bog standard until the MS 65 slabbed grade is reached; the specimen mattes which are much superior in presentation are both quite scarce to really rare.
    I for one really like the realistic design and never expected Churchill's bust to compete with a sexy Liberty or Britannia design on looks alone.
  10. Bmagold

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    Oh! And 1 more thing I discovered that lining the R up with the reed edge shows a difference in the 2 coins as well
    I wanted to thank you lawtoad for the link you sent me earlier every little piece of information I can get
    Thank you 7jags but you stated in your post quote. "The PCGS citation above shows one that I would accept"
  11. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    What I am saying is that the coin in the PCGS citation IS a specimen matte unc. coin - the special and rare issue.

    There may be some minor types of the currency but it is common. IMO, I would look for a PCGS or NGC slabbed MS65 or 66 - if you can find it.
  12. Bmagold

    Bmagold Member

    7jags I didn't quite follow your statement The PCGS citation above is one you would accept. If you were referring to the pics above the slabbed coin in image 5 is my coin in question
  13. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    What I am saying is the coin the comes up when checking the PCGS registry (Lawtoad above in this post) is a specimen matte. Yours, sadly, I believe is not - I will admit that your picture number 5 is not of the best quality but feel comfortable in making that judgement.
  14. 7Jags

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    Here are two obverse pictures, one of a currency/business strike crown, the second of a specimen matte currency. And sorry about the quality of the second -I'll see if I can find another specimen picture... IMG_2159.JPG fullsizeoutput_29c.jpeg
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