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Message:: [QUOTE="Insider, post: 7911734, member: 24314"]physics-fan3.14, posted: "Sorry to be contrarian, but I've definitely heard the term used both ways. I realize that the "orange peel" effect on proof gold is *completely* different than the effect seen here, but it is fairly common to call this effect "orange peel." In fact, it is far more commonly used for die deterioration, since proof gold is a really niche area. I forget where I first learned it, but I've used it to refer to the surface seen on this nickel for many, many years." Of course you've heard it!  <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> You were not collecting in the 1960s.  Remember this: Things change.  Examples: Mint State means nothing specific now.  "Cuds" and "DOUBLE dies" are no more.  Over the years, as YN's become knowledgeable and get older and "expert" in their field, what they publish often replaces the status quo before their time.  Them what write the books rule. At one time in the 70s & 80s, I was in that place.   Thus, if ErrorRef wants to call worn dies "orange peel" so be it.  Unfortunately, most worn dies LOOK NOTHING LIKE THE SURFACE of an orange!   <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]