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<p>[QUOTE="JBK, post: 268501, member: 1101"]Go back and re-read your original post which tried to "correct" the rest of us, and then tell me again who was being the jerk. </p><p><br /></p><p>Yes, Doug probably does know more than me about most numismatic issues, but others obviously know more than you. I say this not as criticism but as a heads-up that maybe you should do what most of us here try to do - listen and learn. </p><p><br /></p><p>It is common knowledge that proof sets were unsealed when issued. If it makes you happy we can even hedge a bit and say "most" were unsealed. That still does not legitimize the hype by dealers and others who try to get more money by selling "sealed" sets. Add to that the fact that envelopes are being forged, and sealed sets should be suspect to say the least. For every person who finds a true condition rarity in a "sealed" set there are probably a hundred or a thousand others who are buying a "sealed" set that has already been scrutinized by someone. </p><p><br /></p><p>One last thing to think about. ....speaking from my own experience, every single piece of mail piled up on my kitchen table is either ripped or cut open along the top of the (sealed) envelope. However, most if not all proof sets (the envelope variety) I have seen or own are open at the flap, even if in some cases the flap had partially stuck down and been pulled up at some point. This is not to say that proof sets with a cut-open edge do not exist, but if all proof sets were shipped sealed wouldn't most or all opened proof set envelopes look like the mail on my table? </p><p><br /></p><p>Believe what you want - it really doesn't bother me, and what I believe shouldn't bother you. We're all just trying to share some information and expertise.</p><p><br /></p><p>P.S. - My birthyear is a Franklin proof set, and I started getting them as gifts and buying them many years ago. That is the basis for my own personal first hand experience.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="JBK, post: 268501, member: 1101"]Go back and re-read your original post which tried to "correct" the rest of us, and then tell me again who was being the jerk. Yes, Doug probably does know more than me about most numismatic issues, but others obviously know more than you. I say this not as criticism but as a heads-up that maybe you should do what most of us here try to do - listen and learn. It is common knowledge that proof sets were unsealed when issued. If it makes you happy we can even hedge a bit and say "most" were unsealed. That still does not legitimize the hype by dealers and others who try to get more money by selling "sealed" sets. Add to that the fact that envelopes are being forged, and sealed sets should be suspect to say the least. For every person who finds a true condition rarity in a "sealed" set there are probably a hundred or a thousand others who are buying a "sealed" set that has already been scrutinized by someone. One last thing to think about. ....speaking from my own experience, every single piece of mail piled up on my kitchen table is either ripped or cut open along the top of the (sealed) envelope. However, most if not all proof sets (the envelope variety) I have seen or own are open at the flap, even if in some cases the flap had partially stuck down and been pulled up at some point. This is not to say that proof sets with a cut-open edge do not exist, but if all proof sets were shipped sealed wouldn't most or all opened proof set envelopes look like the mail on my table? Believe what you want - it really doesn't bother me, and what I believe shouldn't bother you. We're all just trying to share some information and expertise. P.S. - My birthyear is a Franklin proof set, and I started getting them as gifts and buying them many years ago. That is the basis for my own personal first hand experience.[/QUOTE]
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