1960-D possibly 1st example of Full steps?? Looking for opinion but read my thread as well

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by jjohnson3582506, Jul 12, 2020.

  1. Im sharing a find out of a 1960-D obw nickel roll. Comparatively from the early 50s to the late 60s all the hard rare full step nickels if you look at PCGS photos in coin facts they gave FS to coins that didn’t even come close to FS. Probably cause the rarity. 1960-D never has 1 been found with full steps. Check this out..the little bit of damage in the right corner goes horizontal and is a planchet defect as the patina is over the top of that hit. But for the most part based on other rare ones graded this has a real shot at becoming the 1st one. What do you guys think? I also think getting the designation could have 2 different outcomes based on who sends it in. A little politics involved I’m sure. I could be wrong but if you guys think I have a good shot and there is someone who is connected to the grading company or companies I would be interested in sharing a percentage of the goods for that service. The 61, 61D, 63D, 53S, etc have FS examples by PCGS with all steps broken by vertical hits and lots of weakness in the steps and the rare ones it seems like the bend a little bit. This would be the only example and I think I got a good shot:) hopefully I get feedback that merits this thought!!
     

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  3. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    I could be wrong but FS is only for MS coins. You found your in a roll of obw coins, but the obverse looks to be AU with some diminished luster on the bust especially across the collar and shoulder. Also see a long diagonal scratch across several steps from the 3rd to 4th column. So for those reasons you coin is not FS, IMO.
     
  4. Beardigger

    Beardigger Well-Known Member

    I'm no expert in this, but judging from what I circled here this would not make a FS designation. The whole bottom step is covered. But wait for others to chime in.






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  5. That’s the 6th step, but if you could read my description it would explain why I think I might have a shot, if you look at every rare year with steps the ones that have the designation have all steps cut completely in 2, complete weakness on the strike and based on this being 0 in population, I was thinking it looks better than most of the other designated full steppers for the tough years. Just my thought. I do agree on the nickels that have population this would not fall under the FS designation. I’ve attached different photos showing it’s a good grade MS coin
     

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  6. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    I would be interested in seeing some more of the other 39 coins from that OBW roll of 60 d nickels.
     
  7. Sure thing. It was actually 2 shotgun rolls 20 in each roll. Give me a sec and I’ll snap some photos
     
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  8. Here are 4 put together the top left one is the best shot one that I’ve already attached photos of. But a lot of em were close. Also the rolls paper pic included
     

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  9. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    Cool so the was the best of the bunch? Really close but that scratch interrupts the steps and so not FS. I don't think it is favoritism in the FS designation. The merits of the coin is whether it is FS or not. You can have an otherwise nicely struck example and have a Nick in the wrong place. Then again you can have FS and the rest of the coin is not well struck but because of the FS you get the premium.
     
  10. Here are some of the rarer years and the top graded FS nickels. It seems like the hard to find ones they give a little slack on because a clean FS example is impossible to find. I don’t know?
     

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  12. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Not FS by any means. That gadhnonbthe right kills it. The steps are broken by it.
     
  13. I’m aware of the break. I just find it weird that you go on PCGS site and every top graded coin for all the hard years to get full steps have all five or six steps cut completely down the steps breaking every one of them with weak strikes. If you look at it through them set of glasses and this being an ultra rare one to find I was hoping maybe it could fit in with the majority of full step nickels that are not full steps. These are actually struck well all the way across and the hit on the right flows with the steps where all the other ones that had just as much damage all go vertical and stand out like a sore thumb. I know in the end sending it in is the only way to find out but in all the responses I’m not seeing anyone saying why mine would not be in the same situation as the hundreds of others that they actually took photo grade photos of and posted them as top pop coins. With that perspective it should get it but unfortunately I’m a believer in 2 different people could submit this coin and a possibility of 2 totally different results based on the person sending it when it comes to the big bucks. Just my opinion but they save those spots for their customers who spend tons of money every year like heritage auctions great collections stacks bowers etc. vs me who can’t afford to spend that kinda cheese. It’s unfortunate because if I got it and made some money I would spend a heck of a lot more with em!! Anyways appreciate all the feedback
     
  14. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    Many focus strictly on a specific feature (steps, bell lines, bands, etc) rather than the overall Strike of the coin...which I think is the intent behind these designations.

    I've seen where PMD can affect these types of designations (e.g. Franklin halves). If that's also the case with Jefferson nickels, that gash across the steps could be problematic. Personally, I don't think PMD should affect an assessment of Strike.
     
  15. dcarr

    dcarr Mint-Master

    The coin is technically uncirculated. 1960-D nickels almost always have a greasy circulated look right off the press.

    As for the steps, it is close to 5 full steps, but not quite. It might be worth a modest premium for the steps it has.
     
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  16. That gashed a planchet defect. The patina of the coin is over the top of it. So it’s sealed like it is and I don’t think it will erode away. The cheek, shoulder and hair are all pretty well struck so I think it’s a somewhat decent strike. It’s hard for me to dog it to much because I want it to be FS so bad..lol It’s hard to critique a coin that you want to be a winner so I keep wanting to find a reason to say that it’s a full step nickel for sure but at the end of the day we know with their most likely going to say my whole point behind the post was in theory it looks better than half of the top graded hard to find full step nickels on photograde. There are Nickels that have all steps cut completely clean in half so in that respect they should at least be considered by PCGS but I’m not that lucky so it’ll probably come back as a $10 nickel... lol
     
  17. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    According to the Jefferson Nickel Organization:

    Full Steps Jefferson Nickels


    “Full Steps” is a grading designation used for regular strike Jefferson Nickels which have at least five steps visible at the base of Monticello on the reverse. In order to receive the designation, there must be no disturbance of the steps due to strike weakness, contact marks, or planchet problems.

    Notice the term:NO DISTRUBANCE OF THE STEPS

    That slash through the steps disqualifies this coin as a FS.
     
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  18. Ok.all good thanks for the input
     
  19. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    You're welcome
     
  20. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    @Lehigh96 what say you on the matter? You submit a lot of nickels to be graded, you ever get preferential treatment on FS - maybe designations?
     
  21. Compare mine to ones designated top pop at PCGS. I get what FS is supposed to be but if the super rare ones with full steps get leniency just to create hype about trying to find one they could do that to the 60-D as they don’t even have a line item for it cause they have up on finding one. When I compare mine and other attached in the photos mine are pretty clean and not all beat up but hey all I can do is try and see what happens. Surely someone can understand my view on it. I don’t think a collector who wants a FS 60-D would be disappointed for a never found one to be so g** daing close. Anyways I’ll update you when it comes back and I’m sure if it gets it you might see it in the mags! one more thing open pic 1 it’s a 1960 fs top pop then open mine which one would you rather buy?
     

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