1958 P Franklin half toning in slab?

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  1. Derrick Combs

    Derrick Combs Active Member

    Recently ran across this franklin half. Curious about the toning. It is definitely slabbed. It looks like the toning has continued since the ngc picture was taken. Just curious if this happens normally or if this current picture of same coin is enhanced in some way. Also, I have seen one coin that was toned and in an ngc slab get cracked out and sent to pcgs and pcgs called it questionable color. Just curious if this is natural or artificial. The first 2 are from ngc the second 4 are what it's supposed to look like now. Screenshot_20201128-060652_Chrome.jpg Screenshot_20201128-060709_Chrome.jpg Screenshot_20201128-060730_Gallery.jpg Screenshot_20201128-060742_Gallery.jpg Screenshot_20201128-061510_Gallery.jpg Screenshot_20201128-061524_Gallery.jpg
     
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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 Well-Known Member

    Looks Natural to me . I don't think NGC would grade a coin that was AT 'd . I like it. Nice Coin.
     
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  4. Derrick Combs

    Derrick Combs Active Member

    I have been doing some research about the double mint sets. Evidently they were packaged in some kind of cardboard/paper packaging that had sulfur content. How and where they were stored could cause a lot of different colored coins. But it appears as though this one continued toning. I like it too.
     
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  5. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I don't think it continued toning after it was slabbed. I just think NGC's pictures aren't showing the color well.
     
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  6. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector Supporter

    Actually there can be problem situations for slabbed coins.

    Yes, they can tone in slabs.
    Slabs are not airtight so storage conditions can affect them.
    A serious case is when coins have gone through nasty weather such as hurricanes.
    High moisture/humidity; no A/C because of power loss; even submerged in flood water.
     
  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I am with Physics on this one. The last 4 photos are of the toning and not so much the luster. I don't see anything that says AT.
     
  8. halfcent1793

    halfcent1793 Well-Known Member

    Slabs are not air-tight. Of course coins tone in slabs. That's why the TPGs no longer guarantee the color of copper coins.
     
  9. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    While some coins do tone in slabs (in the olden days, some of the chemicals used in the slabs actually caused the toning!), it is a less common occurence with modern slabs.

    I have never seen a coin tone drastically in a modern NGC slab, unless there was some serious help from a nefarious person.

    What we see on this coin is classic mint set toning, not a gassed slab.
     
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  10. expat

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    Is it also possible the photo has been enhanced post processing? The slab label on the reverse has also achieved brighter colors.
     
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  11. Derrick Combs

    Derrick Combs Active Member

    That's what I was wondering about myself. Photo enhancement
     
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  12. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    There could be some photoshop enhancement. But that is not the case here. The last four photos were taken to show the beauty and tone of the coin when the first were not. NGC takes photos on a basic set up, this sometimes shows the toning sometimes it does not.
     
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  13. Derrick Combs

    Derrick Combs Active Member

    I've noticed this before. I've also noticed their pictures being real dark sometimes. Sometimes I've bought a coin based on the tpg picture over the sellers picture. It appears that brighter lights were used on the ngc photo.
     
  14. Long Beard

    Long Beard Active Member

    Judging coins, particularly silver, from digital images can be tricky. Look at the white slab in the first set compared with the second. This is where the white balance in a camera's comes into play. To actually achieve the "look" of how it appears in hand would require a side by side comparison of the digital image and the actual coin, posting the correct image once established. What I'm saying is I wouldn't exactly call it enhanced, rather a misunderstanding of photography. But like the others, natural toning.
     
  15. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Trying to give an opinion from photos, especially in a slab, is a tricky thing. As for a FBL, I think they were generous.
     
  16. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    I beg to differ, I have slabbed silver that seems to continue toning. My opinion.
     
  17. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I agree completely on the FBL. Not sure which one but one of the top 2 TPGS only considers the bottom bell lines.
     
  18. Beefer518

    Beefer518 Well-Known Member

    IIRC, NGC requires both upper and lower, and PCGS only requires lower.
     
  19. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I know that sometimes planchet flaws are accepted, That mark that crosses two of the upper lines does not look like a flaw. And should have kept it from the designation.
     
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  20. Michael K

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  21. 1865King

    1865King Active Member

    I don't think this coin continued toning in this slab. However, it can happen. I think it's more a lighting issue when the pictures were taken. It's a nice coin but, not full bell lines. I have some coins that have toned in their slab but, I suspect it was because they were dipped and not rinsed properly. My worst is in a PCGS slab. A 1921 Peace dollar that has developed some odd toning and developed a few dark spots. The 1958 half looks like it has nice natural color.
     
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