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<p>[QUOTE="Clawcoins, post: 3919830, member: 77814"]Metal can easily move and stick. Let's think of a couple obvious non-coin examples first:</p><p><br /></p><p>Is this car a manufacturing defect, or is it some kind of damage?</p><p>How would you know it was damage if you didn't see it occur?</p><p>If someone told you it came from the factory like that would you believe them as they tried to sell it to you as a "rare factory made car"?</p><p>Obviously not as we know each car made has pieces mass made and are similar. They all look the same coming off the assembly line.</p><p>Did you know coins are essentially made on an assembly line, have a defined process in order to produce all similar looking coins (from thousands of dies)?</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1033125[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Next pull out one of your non-stick pans.</p><p>Yeah, the one with all the scratches and dents on it. Were the scratches and dents there from the factory? Or was it damaged sometimes after that ?</p><p>And notice the scratches move metal or other stuff when you look closely.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1033136[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Now let's look at your coin.</p><p>First here's a better condition 1958 nickel. Since we know cars all look the same off the assembly line and we know when to identify when something happens to it we can compare you nickel to another one. Since they are mass produced like cars are.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1033129[/ATTACH]</p><p>(1) Your first top arrow. That clearly looks like a scraping mark. Something scraped against it, pushed down and moved metal possibly removing metal too. Maybe someone hit it with a pan pretending the pan's edge was a baseball bat and the coin was something else?</p><p>(2) in CENTS, the C clearly had something pointy-like strike it. Thus creating a crater and pushing metal around in a circle like area. You can also tell it was pushed from the bottom as there is now a ridge at the top of the circular area.</p><p>(3) the S in STATES. You can see a "swipe" across the top of the S which started at the E (actually if you really look closely you can see it at the T and the edge of the A). Something clearly pushed some metal down, collapsing the inside of the top part of the S and possibly knocked off some metal there from the top of the S.</p><p>(4) the rim part shows that the parallel lines of the rim are smashed. Something smashed it down as you can also see a small impression in the middle of the squished area.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1033124[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Coins, pocket change, etc go through many hands. Fall to the ground, get thrown in purses and coins rub up and hit against each other, go through Loomis/Brinks Processing where they do use shovels to move them around when needed (think of the hits coins get from metal shovels), dropped in parking lots where cars run them over; get stuck in coin operated laundry/vending machines .. it's basically unlimited potential unlimited methods a coin can get damaged.</p><p><br /></p><p>One has to remember it's metal. Just like your car is. Just like a door handle is, or a kitchen pot. Coins are not stored separately in velvet lined pouches to protect them. And yes, they rust/corrode too.</p><p><br /></p><p>People do not take care of coins as they do practically anything else.</p><p><br /></p><p>The key is, understanding coins get damaged, and then identifying it as damage, not as an error/variety. Remember where the coin came from and how it's used.</p><p><br /></p><p>Sure there are exceptions. But learning the basics of identifying damage is key in building and understanding. Otherwise, nearly every coin you look at closely will look "different" from one fresh from the US MINT before any hands touch it.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Clawcoins, post: 3919830, member: 77814"]Metal can easily move and stick. Let's think of a couple obvious non-coin examples first: Is this car a manufacturing defect, or is it some kind of damage? How would you know it was damage if you didn't see it occur? If someone told you it came from the factory like that would you believe them as they tried to sell it to you as a "rare factory made car"? Obviously not as we know each car made has pieces mass made and are similar. They all look the same coming off the assembly line. Did you know coins are essentially made on an assembly line, have a defined process in order to produce all similar looking coins (from thousands of dies)? [ATTACH=full]1033125[/ATTACH] Next pull out one of your non-stick pans. Yeah, the one with all the scratches and dents on it. Were the scratches and dents there from the factory? Or was it damaged sometimes after that ? And notice the scratches move metal or other stuff when you look closely. [ATTACH=full]1033136[/ATTACH] Now let's look at your coin. First here's a better condition 1958 nickel. Since we know cars all look the same off the assembly line and we know when to identify when something happens to it we can compare you nickel to another one. Since they are mass produced like cars are. [ATTACH=full]1033129[/ATTACH] (1) Your first top arrow. That clearly looks like a scraping mark. Something scraped against it, pushed down and moved metal possibly removing metal too. Maybe someone hit it with a pan pretending the pan's edge was a baseball bat and the coin was something else? (2) in CENTS, the C clearly had something pointy-like strike it. Thus creating a crater and pushing metal around in a circle like area. You can also tell it was pushed from the bottom as there is now a ridge at the top of the circular area. (3) the S in STATES. You can see a "swipe" across the top of the S which started at the E (actually if you really look closely you can see it at the T and the edge of the A). Something clearly pushed some metal down, collapsing the inside of the top part of the S and possibly knocked off some metal there from the top of the S. (4) the rim part shows that the parallel lines of the rim are smashed. Something smashed it down as you can also see a small impression in the middle of the squished area. [ATTACH=full]1033124[/ATTACH] Coins, pocket change, etc go through many hands. Fall to the ground, get thrown in purses and coins rub up and hit against each other, go through Loomis/Brinks Processing where they do use shovels to move them around when needed (think of the hits coins get from metal shovels), dropped in parking lots where cars run them over; get stuck in coin operated laundry/vending machines .. it's basically unlimited potential unlimited methods a coin can get damaged. One has to remember it's metal. Just like your car is. Just like a door handle is, or a kitchen pot. Coins are not stored separately in velvet lined pouches to protect them. And yes, they rust/corrode too. People do not take care of coins as they do practically anything else. The key is, understanding coins get damaged, and then identifying it as damage, not as an error/variety. Remember where the coin came from and how it's used. Sure there are exceptions. But learning the basics of identifying damage is key in building and understanding. Otherwise, nearly every coin you look at closely will look "different" from one fresh from the US MINT before any hands touch it.[/QUOTE]
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