1957 DDO WITH A 10% ROTATION?

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  1. Sley

    Sley Active Member

    Sley here. Happy Thursday, and I pray for all the people without power; Texas.
    I pegged this 1957 with a double date, and upon putting it into a sleeve, I also noticed a 10-15 degree rotation on the Reverse. Am I correct? 1957 Lincoln Cent DDO 2.jpg 1957 D Lincoln Cent DDO 3.jpg 1957 D Lincoln Cent DDO 4.jpg 1957D Jefferson RPM 1.jpg
     
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  3. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    nice find idk about the rotation degree but it definitely is one nice die chip in the B don't forget to crimp down those staples it doesn't look like they are.
     
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  4. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    That's strike doubling, Sley, it's not from the die. Scratch out DDO and re-label two chips, one in the B, one in the 9.
     
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  5. Sley

    Sley Active Member

    Ok, will do! Thank you. Do you see a slight rotation?
     
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  6. Sley

    Sley Active Member

    Thank you
     
  7. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Definitely rotated, yes. And FWIW, we've quite a few 1957-Ds, never noticed one rotated like that. Yours is actually slightly more rotated than you're showing, as your obverse is just a tad out of alignment. Set it up to where LIBERTY is perfectly horizontal, then when you flip it, you'll see your true degree of rotation. Very nice find, BTW, a lot going on in that one.

    EDIT: Or maybe that's slightly less rotated. I get all mixed up in these sometimes, lol. But you'll know when you align the obverse properly.
     
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  8. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast

    I agree with Eddie...a lot going on with that coin, but it doesn't appear to be a DDO. Curiously one listing does have a chip in the B. Have a look but don't hold your breath - 1957d1do001 Die Variety Information - coppercoins.com

    Note the 7 in the DDO listing is quite thick. I don't see that on your coin but MD does reduce the devices and your pictures are just a bit too distant to make out some of the finer details.
     
  9. Sley

    Sley Active Member

    1957 D Lincoln Cent DDO 7.jpg
     
  10. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast

    Thanks for the closeup Sley. You can see that the MD has reduced the devices. My focus is on the curve of the 5 and the thickness of the 7. They look normal with MD. Take a look for the markers though. This type of diagnostic is a challenge, but it's also a great learning opportunity.

    First, you need to identify if you have the signs of doubling as noted by the attribution you are trying to align with or the class of doubling you are looking at. Next you are looking to match the markers relative to the die stage your specimen is. If you don't have the doubling, having markers that are 'close' wont do you much good. In the end, it's the totality of the investigation. And if your DDO has a few other, more obvious attributes...like a mintmark or significant die chips, they help you to dial in on an attribution. Relative to the listing, your specimen's mm is too close to the date. The chip on your coin is more developed than the one in the listing...but you need to keep in mind that die stage could play a factor here when the listing is at an earlier dies state. So, for now, you have a busy coin with a few die stage related issues that add interest. Put it in a flip and label your coin. Don't forget to check out Cuds on Coins to see if your coin has an attribution.
     
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  11. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    You can see the 7 is taken in or shaved off a little to make the 7 to the right of it. You can also see the strike doubling in the mint mark. The mint marks in those days weren't on the dies when they were made but were punched in after. The little chip on the top-inside of the 9 is also apparent.
     
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  12. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast

    Took a quick look at Cuds on Coins...didn't see yours there, but perhaps some that were close/later stage. There are a lot of them...so have a look yourself. I may have missed your listing.
     
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  13. Sley

    Sley Active Member

    Thank you for your input.
     
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