1955 omg in a role of pennies from publix

Since there were posts that answered the questions regarding grade and the reverse Die chip, I would say the pics were perfectly adequate.

 

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On Cointalk, that and your posting this must indeed make it so. I gotcha.

 

Perhaps someone, instead of harping on the issue or suggesting others buy a $200 Zeiss ExoLens, should take the time to produce a tutorial intended to help those who post photos he finds to be so offensive. It's probably safe to say that many to a majority of those posting such photos do not wish, or possibly cannot afford to run out and buy costly equipment, especially if this is just a side hobby, so perhaps they could use their surely vast knowledge to show and share low-cost methods (such as handheld lens reversal) that would allow them acceptable results?

Seems like a win-win to me...

 

If the poor thing were a chicken with a spot on it it would be a shredded wheat cent. You folks are brutal.
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So what should we do, Willy? Use the forum to advertise and do so under the guise of innocent participation?

If regarding the photo issue, I agree, but if trying help and/or educate others, or the simple correcting misinformation is "brutal", so be it.

 

You are welcome to go snag up, say my posts to Nolan and a couple others, and see the results they have gotten with cheap USB scopes. I don't mind you putting them together in one place.

DO YOU SEE me telling people to go spend 200 bucks for zeiss stuff? No, only helping people optimize what they have. I can understand why this might be a touchy spot for you and several here having observed you incorrectly and automatically dismiss poorly imaged coins as not being say, a DDO when they in fact were.

Had you asked for better pix, you may have gotten them with some patience, and you may have even been able to make more correct determinations.

I don't recall seeing any of your coin photography though, maybe I missed it?

 

Pretending to grade coins with poor pictures may or may not be misinformation based on the data and information not conveyed by patently poor images.

If it ain't there and you let your imagination run wild and assume, what else can you call it?

Pareidolia I believe is the word you like to use.

"Pareidolia is a psychological phenomenon in which the mind responds to a stimulus by perceiving a familiar pattern where none exists."

Huge lifeless and detail-less pixels, poor exposures and one or only two images...... there's your recipe for many that should know better to hallucinate.

 

I think you’re missing the point. Nobody is criticizing your photography skills, nor your specific advice in helping others improve their photographs. Personally, I stink at taking pics. The problem is telling people in what could be considered a condescending manner. Your first post to the OP was:

Simple problem, simple solution, post better and more useful pictures.
For all anyone knows, the blobs of whatever are far from permanent and it's nicer than your poor pictures show.
Consider you know the pictures are poor yet you still want some kind of meaningful grade??? I don't understand that.
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This was after he started receiving answers about his coin even with the mediocre pictures. Would it be much simpler to say something to the effect; “it’s difficult to see the details in your picture, here are some tips to improve your pictures which should help members provide the information you need”. One CT poster, whom most of you will know, frequently directs newbies to links offering information on error coins, even when the questions are pretty ridiculous.

If I’m a new collector, looking for info and read your post, I wouldn’t come back. Shouldn’t we be trying to help new collectors rather than turning them off .

 

I think you are rationalizing convinced that one must be Ansel Adams to point and shoot something that reasonably represents their coin.

Yet, because that is the mindset here and it is not only condoned, poor images are almost encouraged. See how many people list coins on ebay that very few are expert macro photographers and do a pretty amazing job.

The OP openly owned his images were poor and why do you guys act like it costs money to simply take more and better pictures. In light of that, my response to him is quite reasonable regardless of how many hallucinating regulars here fall for the bait.

If the non-collectors that come here in general had any respect for the collective, which isn't a requirement requested or demanded, very few would pop in with images they knew were poor.

I spoke to a couple of Rago's people today and it is seldom they have to reject online appraisal and information requests for 2nd grade level or intentionally poor images.

Admittedly, they often do have to ask for specific detailed shots of exact areas, but, people in general use a much higher level of care when requesting their assistance.

go figure

 

How am I "snagging up" your posts to Nolan? Is this prison, and you've called dibs on trying to make him your snuggle bunny? Seriously, I don't recall saying one word against or countering you in any of his threads, so what's the real issue here?

And as for the Zeiss attachment, yes, I have, and in fact, I didn't know they were marketing such things until you mentioned it. Not many on this board write of Zeiss in any fashion, so it's not like you've been lost in the mix. I'm a big fan of Zeiss and can't blame you at all, but the greater point still stands; their products aren't for everyone, nor are such suggestions the answer to the problem. Considering your apparent interest in photography, I can only assume you'd agree that the quality of one's equipment is meaningless unless they actually know how to use it. It's like those who run out and dump many thousands into the "best" camera and lenses expecting to get professional-level results instead of actually learning photography and/or how to use it. This is also why I made my perfectly reasonable suggestion, but instead of taking it at face, you apparently would prefer to argue instead of possibly helping those you incessantly criticize.

One doesn't need a near ideal photo to make most general determinations, and this thread is a fine example of it. No, the provided photos are not sufficient to grade the coin from, but they are good enough to tell, with absolute certainty, that the coin is far from the 65-67 range, and is all that really matters. Harping on about photos is likely to drive more people away than nicely trying to help them, or simply making the most of what they post.

And you're right... you haven't seen any coin photos from me, and for good reason. I do not collect, nor have I had any real-world involvement in this hobby for over five years now. This, of course, has nothing to do with the fact that I'm not the one harping on how terrible other's photos are all while not really trying to help them. Take as you will, but after having pressured someone into tearing their iPhone apart, costing them money they cannot comfortably afford in the process, one would think you'd either tone it down some, or make a greater effort to help. Seriously... please do think about it.

Oh, and as for dismissing a coin as not being a variety when, as you say, "in fact they were", please provide examples. I can think of a couple times over the years, but is far from the regular thing you imply. That said, if you're basing your conclusion on the "findings" of a certain other member who fancies himself as some sort of variety guru, well, I'll let you figure it out for yourself....

 

I gave you a like for using "snuggle bunny" in a coin thread

 

I agree. I'm sick of hearing him critique others images as well. It's getting really old.

 

You do this Everytime. Dont you have any new stuff

 

Thank you brother

 

Quite overgraded, yet a cool find nonetheless Willy.
Regarding the whole picture quality argument this thread has become, for simple people who need only to take adequate pictures, assuming you own a camera phone, take a focused (not blurry) picture which you did a good enough job of IMO, then go to an edit menu which should be clear as day on your phone, and from there rotate the pic if need be and crop it so the coin inhabits as much of the screen as possible.. and voila..
Keep doing your homework Willy, no one ever has or will master every nuance of this hobby. And enjoy it, that's why we're here after all.

 

Willysilver. Sorry you post ended up this way but hopefully, you got the information you need to answer your initial questions.

Depending on the type of question, Pic quality is important on these forums so if you want to get better there are a number of people that can help.

 

Let me apologize in advance, since this question doesn't pertain to the op's post. Are there any members here that will photograph a couple silver dollars for me that I want to sell? Some of the pictures I see on here CT are awesome, and I would like to present my coins like the pros do. Thanks. And best of luck Willy.

 

I'm sure there are, but I suggest being VERY careful trusting someone unknown to you from some coin forum. At least be sure to check references and make an attempt to speak to those who've dealt with them. Hell, even openly asking the board if it's safe shouldn't be a problem, and I'd like to think anyone worthwhile would welcome it. Lots of good guys here, but the few bad mean such precautions necessary.

That said, are you sure the coins warrant sending out to be imaged?

Best of luck to you either way.

 

Thanks for the advice, it's appreciated.

I'm not 100% sure they need imaged, and I would definitely discuss this with the one taking the images. Worst case scenario I learn something new.

 

Good attitude, Mitch, and good luck!

Perhaps @green18 could add his two cents? I don't know if he's willing to do such a thing, but he does a very nice job, and I wouldn't hesitate to trust him. At the least, perhaps he can suggest someone for you.