1952 D Wheat Penny Double Die Reverse

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Kristina Greene, Feb 7, 2024.

  1. Kristina Greene

    Kristina Greene New Member

    So , Im new at this, I found this in my little collection of Wheat Pennies. I have tried to search for info on known doubling errors and can find anything that year.
    It has doubling starting in the B in pluribus movong to the right and more exaggerated on the "unum". Also total shadow double on entire left of the wheat on the right and some at the top of the left of the left wheat.

    I think its pretty cool!

    I will most likely have it Graded.
    What do you all think?

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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Hello and Welcome to CoinTalk!
    Do us a favor?? Show the whole coin in full, please.
    From what I can see, it's just "machine doubling".
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  4. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

  5. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Don't. Not worth the expense......
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  6. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    As a newly minted member, go here:

    doubleddie.com John Wexler’s site, and read and study everything on the site.
    It will launch you lightyears ahead as a collector of coins…imo…Spark
  7. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

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  8. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . .

    We ought to start encouraging this. Experience is the best teacher. We're just "nay sayers" on the internet . . . . . .

  9. Bill in Burl

    Bill in Burl Collector

    Here is the link to the sites/sources noted above. Read the article and, at the bottom, ar 3-4 links that show and explain great examples of doublings that are NOT doubled Dies .... just manufacturing defects and some lack of QC on operating machinery.
  10. Kristina Greene

    Kristina Greene New Member

    So I just figured out my "dandy" microscope doesn't zoom out enough to do full pic in one screen so here are some wides from the scope and a couple from my phone.

    I would like to thank you all for giving me pics, examples and links so I can continue to learn.

    Kinda bummed it might only be machine doubling but still a cool find I suppose.

    To.me.it does look like extra material in the really close pics but I am a novice....

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  11. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It’s doubled but not the type of doubling you want. There are many types of doubling and all but one is worthless. It’s a nice example of worthless doubling so not worth having it graded.
    Welcome to CT.
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  12. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    …I’m bad at acronyms…please explain “WPS”…TY in advance…Spark
  13. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

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  14. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    You need to learn about die doubling. We've a saying, learn first, look second. This doubling you're referencing is very clearly caused but the strike. It's not the die type. Die doubling is what's important because it's repeated on every coin struck by that die. Strike doubling is unimportant because it's unique to that coin and happens a lot when the coin is just a little shaky in the striking chamber. Here, generally, on the learning part: https://doubleddie.com/; and here, specifically, on what you had just stumbled on: https://doubleddie.com/144801.html. Recommend you read it, learn what you're looking for, then go to looking, again.
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  15. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

  16. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    It was about Kristina's coin - well actually your response - just thought you would appreciate a WPS more than the typical "Like".
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  17. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    Well…WPS back at ya!…Spark
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  18. Kristina Greene

    Kristina Greene New Member

    I guess I'm confused. This doubling does make the letter thicker and have a "step" separation and edge differential to the letter. Do you perhaps have already detailed article with pics that explains die deterioration.
  19. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    Yes, that is what you see with Die deterioration, as the dies today usually last around a million coins, slowly flattening them out, extending the edge. You can see a step, so your specific coin had a die that was used for a long time until the die cracks or flattens so much it distorts the image. Like using a hammer 1 million blows to a copper plate or bar.

    For a true doubled die , one that was struck twice by the mint while the die was being produced generally are similar heights, so the images tend to blend, such as my coins here, ( yes I have shown it many times lately :). Hope this info helps.


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