So , Im new at this, I found this in my little collection of Wheat Pennies. I have tried to search for info on known doubling errors and can find anything that year. It has doubling starting in the B in pluribus movong to the right and more exaggerated on the "unum". Also total shadow double on entire left of the wheat on the right and some at the top of the left of the left wheat. I think its pretty cool! I will most likely have it Graded. What do you all think?
Hello and Welcome to CoinTalk! Do us a favor?? Show the whole coin in full, please. From what I can see, it's just "machine doubling".
Nice closeup shots Christina but I believe what we are seeing is something akin to die deterioration doubling (see here.....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die-deterioration_doubling). Welcome to the forum.
As a newly minted member, go here: doubleddie.com John Wexler’s site, and read and study everything on the site. It will launch you lightyears ahead as a collector of coins…imo…Spark
We ought to start encouraging this. Experience is the best teacher. We're just "nay sayers" on the internet . . . . . . Z
Here is the link to the sites/sources noted above. Read the article and, at the bottom, ar 3-4 links that show and explain great examples of doublings that are NOT doubled Dies .... just manufacturing defects and some lack of QC on operating machinery. https://doubleddie.com/144801.html
So I just figured out my "dandy" microscope doesn't zoom out enough to do full pic in one screen so here are some wides from the scope and a couple from my phone. I would like to thank you all for giving me pics, examples and links so I can continue to learn. Kinda bummed it might only be machine doubling but still a cool find I suppose. To.me.it does look like extra material in the really close pics but I am a novice....
It’s doubled but not the type of doubling you want. There are many types of doubling and all but one is worthless. It’s a nice example of worthless doubling so not worth having it graded. Welcome to CT.
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You need to learn about die doubling. We've a saying, learn first, look second. This doubling you're referencing is very clearly caused but the strike. It's not the die type. Die doubling is what's important because it's repeated on every coin struck by that die. Strike doubling is unimportant because it's unique to that coin and happens a lot when the coin is just a little shaky in the striking chamber. Here, generally, on the learning part: https://doubleddie.com/; and here, specifically, on what you had just stumbled on: https://doubleddie.com/144801.html. Recommend you read it, learn what you're looking for, then go to looking, again.
Sometimes I can be clueless, I thought it was about Kristina’s penny…but nooo! WPS, for the uninitiated, stands for WOO PIG SOOIE! @justafarmer …you humble me, sir. @Heavymetal @Kristina Greene @SensibleSal66 …I know you wondered too, sorry for being so dense…Spark
It was about Kristina's coin - well actually your response - just thought you would appreciate a WPS more than the typical "Like".
I guess I'm confused. This doubling does make the letter thicker and have a "step" separation and edge differential to the letter. Do you perhaps have already detailed article with pics that explains die deterioration.
Yes, that is what you see with Die deterioration, as the dies today usually last around a million coins, slowly flattening them out, extending the edge. You can see a step, so your specific coin had a die that was used for a long time until the die cracks or flattens so much it distorts the image. Like using a hammer 1 million blows to a copper plate or bar. For a true doubled die , one that was struck twice by the mint while the die was being produced generally are similar heights, so the images tend to blend, such as my coins here, ( yes I have shown it many times lately . Hope this info helps. Jim
