1945-P Jefferson Nickel Guesstimation of Grade?

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  1. SunnySeaJay

    SunnySeaJay Member

    I have a 1945-P Jefferson Nickel located on Variety Vista as RPM-001, DDR-004. I do have many more close-up photos although I am only able to upload 10 photos at once. I was hoping someone would be so kind as to give me a Guesstimation of its grade. I completely understand that it is only a guesstimation and that the grade could come back higher or lower than what one's opinion on here is. Anyone's help is very much appreciated.

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  3. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I will take your word on the attribution, the grade is MS65. The coin looks to have nice luster and eye appeal, and there are no major marks, but there are plenty of minor marks that should prevent a premium gem grade.
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  4. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    very nice im giving it a 65 not fs but the steps are pretty nice for a philly war nickel especially for the last year run.
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  5. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Supporter! Supporter

    Did you specify what attributes your wanted them to focus on? If not, it will simple come back with a grade. What grade? I'm not sure as I don't focus on Jefferson's. Good luck and post when you get it back.
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  6. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    I agree , MS65! Nice Nickel :)
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  7. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    if it is what it looks to be by the mintmark (that looks very right for it), it might be TDR FS 804/501 (030.5)
    Triple die reverse/RPM. I'd like the pictures more in focus, but you've probably spent a heck of a lot of time going over it to get to this point, so I don't need more evidence really. I believe it is as you attributed it, only thing is Variety vista has it as DDR,

    PCGS attributes as "TDR FS-804 (030.5)"

    NGC has "variety Plus" and has it as " FS-501/804" if LDS NGC will leave off the 804 for the RPM because it's not so visible on LDS.

    I think MS65 is probably fair for the guestimate at the grade from this. Nice find.
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  8. SunnySeaJay

    SunnySeaJay Member

    Thank you very much for your knowledge, observations and elaborating John. It is really tough for me to get good pictures with my phone. When shooting the close-ups I place a digital camera to the eyepiece of my microscope. I have more photos if they may be helpful. The coin does also have a slight die rotation error that I have demonstrated by taking photos of it in the album. I do not really see any die deterioration on it so hopefully it is EDS or MDS and not LDS. Thanks again John
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  10. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    try to place a plastic bottlecap under the coin to raise it into the foreground, you might have less focusing issues by moving the object forward.
    the pictures are pretty good actually, just still really hard to see in depth/detail, but that P mintmark, that looks very right to me, so it won't be LDS.
    You'd have a much harder time seeing the RPM if it was LDS. Probably MDS, details aren't as sharp as they could be, and with this one, it's more of a fattening of the letters than clear cut double die, which gets worse as the die wears to just fat letters, but it's still a very decent coin.
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  11. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Very nice looking and a 65 is not out of the question.
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  12. SunnySeaJay

    SunnySeaJay Member

    I am extremely critical when it comes to Grading MS coins, plus I just don't have the many years of experience with slabbed coins as a lot of you fellows do. It's a tough one for me because I always seem to think the coin is at least a grade or two lower than the coin actually is and then I end up not sending them out because I do not want to gamble and lose on a foolish bet. I am thankful however that I waited so long because I have accumulated a lot more knowledge over the years and much nicer coins to actually begin putting together some nice specimens for a good submission. Thank you everyone for sharing your experience, knowledge, comments and help! You are all very much appreciated! :happy:
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  13. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    I'm very conservative when judging my own coins, to a fault. what I'll call AU will come out MS65 or lower, but many coin dealers in my area would call it AU if it's ungraded also. Of course I'm into more modern coins, I don't have the skill where a MS64 or MS65 might matter let's say because with moderns if it's not top grade, it's just one of many many regular coins that shouldn't have been graded.

    It's ok to be conservative and be pleasantly surprised, it's better than overestimating it and being disappointed. so being extra critical isn't a bad thing in my opinion. still, being wrong is being wrong, and we all strive to get it right, I just resigned my self to the idea that I have no idea how the grading companies actually settle on a grade..LOL
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  14. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I feel the same way about my coins, unless I feel that I have that money to just blow, I would rather buy another coin. Then it never happens.
    I didn't look at Brians wesite On Wexlers, to match this coin. What is on VV is a die stage C. Yours is not the same die stage, It is quite a bit earlier, Coneca would probably like to photo that one.
    @Lehigh96 is our resident Nickel enthusiast, Nickels and TPG's are his daily game. If you want to know anything about a Jeff he is the man.
    @John Burgess definitely knows his Variety's, and nailed this one on the head. It's the big one
    Great find!
    And stick around here. We have fun helping.;)
    Welcome aboard

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  15. SunnySeaJay

    SunnySeaJay Member

    Thank you very much! I just recently paid for a one year membership on Coneca for coins that I have not been able to locate as documented die varieties to hopefully have them attributed. I will post this one on there and ask them what dies stage it is. That would be really cool if they wanted to take photos of it.
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