1944 steel Doubled die reverse Lincoln wheat cent.

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by Danaro1, Oct 19, 2020.

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Is this a 1944 DDR steel cent?

Poll closed Oct 26, 2020.
  1. Yes

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  2. Very nice!

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  1. Stevearino

    Stevearino Supporter! Supporter

    I would love to see this coin be certified as genuine. But the 44 does look quite different than the one @Heavymetal posted. I know that mint marks have varied, and we have large & small date versions of dates, but are there modern examples where the digits are quite different?

    Steve
     
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  3. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster It seemed like a good idea at the time.

    It’s a fake and the “doubling” in E PLURIBUS UNUM is the giveaway.

    1) Look at the spread on EPU. That is significantly more than on the 1955, 1969-S, or 1916 nickel, and look at the attention those coins get due to the amount of doubling.

    2) If it was struck by the US mint on a steel planchet, it would have to have been struck with a working die and there would be other examples known on copper planchets. Yet there are no listings for any DDR like this on www.varityvista.com or www.doubleddie.com

    3) The EPU has a huge spread, but surprisingly, you don’t see doubling elsewhere. How could doubling like this occur when the working hub is pressing the working die. Answer = It Can’t

    So in order for this this coin to be authentic, you would have to have beaten lottery type odds not only once for the off metal planchet, but twice, by finding what would be one of the most significant doubled dies made at the mint.

    Really High odds x Really high odds = Survivability rate of a snowball in hell

    It’s well known that the Chinese have been making coins like this for some time. Just check Alibaba.com. That’s what you have.
     
  4. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . . Supporter

    What happened to the photos of his coin on the scale?

    Seems to be quite a few of these "numismatists" showing up and trolling the forum as of late.

    Z
     
  5. Danaro1

    Danaro1 Member

    No I have something that you don't or never will! Thanks for your opinion...
     
  6. Danaro1

    Danaro1 Member

    They're in another thread
     
  7. Danaro1

    Danaro1 Member

    No troll here by the way. I work just as hard as you when it comes to collecting
     
  8. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    I would welcome you to CT but don't think you'll be around long.
    That takes educating yourself and yes taking negative comments from experts, which you seemly can't deal with.
    Ignored and banned? Why do you think that is? Time for some soul searching.
    Ain't going to happen. Everyone has their opinion and simply because it doesn't compliment yours, doesn't mean it is wrong.
    Not sure I understand this. Are you saying you've had this coin for 9 decades? Your plan to gain respect is already in question.
    I would love to see your coin be authentic and make you rich, but discounting others, some very renowned experts, isn't going to win you the "best that there is" award.
    JMO which I'm sure you'll have something to say about it.
     
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  9. TonkawaBill

    TonkawaBill Active Member

    Don't know how you would dip in mercury, coin will just float on top. Place small drop mercury on coin and smear it all over the coin. I have maybe 3 ounces of the stuff, kinda neat to see a steel ball bearing float on it. We did not know was poison and would be absorbed thru skin. can only recall doing it to one penny
     
  10. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Supporter! Supporter

    You don’t know about mercury. You can rub it on a coin like jelly. Don’t ask how I know
     
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  11. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Well-Known Member

    Mercury will make an amalgam with copper and silver too.
     
  12. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Well-Known Member

    Mercury will make an amalgam with copper and silver too.
     
  13. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    You have an altered cent. NOt an Error, Not a DDR, It has no chance of being authenticated, unless it gets a not genuine label.
    Sorry but your unwillingness to back up your coin with the correct evidence, is silly being that if it was real. it is a small fortune.

    But please, keep denying the facts. We all have fun with folks like you that think they know it all. It is quite entertaining.:D
     
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  14. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . . Supporter

    Well, this definitely explains your "screen name" . . . . . .

    Z
     
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  15. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . . Supporter


    Got links?
     
  16. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . . Supporter

    Never mind, I found it. At the risk of repeating myself (no risk really, I am repeating myself) . . . . . .

    It's the reverse of this coin that is most telling. Ignoring the "questionable" grossly executed doubling of the motto only, there are quite a few die signatures that need to be compared to KNOWN examples of genuine articles.

    I have highlighted in yellow below areas that appear to be RAISED, meaning those would not be post mint damage, but would be scratches or indentations in the original dies themselves.

    One needs to compare these signatures against known AUTHENTIC and known FAKE examples.

    Z

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  17. frankjg

    frankjg Well-Known Member

    Because he doesn't buy Chinese fakes?
     
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  18. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 Well-Known Member

    Wow , what's going on here . I leave for 2 minutes . I'm going on Vacation.
     
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  19. Stevearino

    Stevearino Supporter! Supporter

    I agree. About the same odds as the Minnesota Vikings making it to the Super Bowl. Oh, the humanity...the agony...

    Steve
     
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  20. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . . Supporter

    Looks like our "Boy Friday" @Danaro1 has it listed up on fleaBay. Asking a lot less than his "million dollar" estimate.

    Z


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  21. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member

    Sad. I also notice he does not accept returns. Apparently he feels even if he can't fool the experts here, he can at least cheat someone less informed. Perhaps he feels justified because he felt cheated by the person who sold it to him.
     
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  22. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . . Supporter

    IF this were genuine as the OP claimed, sucessful certification would have netted the OP an order of exponential magnitude above his ask.

    I've collected some of his statements below. Reading them all together paints an accurate picture.

    Z

    If this were true, and he purchased at the ripe old age of 21, he would be 111 years old and should be a LOT more informed on collecting and the terms used by now.

    Fortunately, we've probably seen the last of ole @Danaro1 , unless he actually sells it on fleaBay to a poor "less knowledgeable than him" fool.

    Then he may come back and gloat.

    Z
     
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