1944 steel cent???

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by israel f, Apr 10, 2020.

  1. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    What is plain silly is people (like you) who clearly don't know what they are talking about but continue to argue for argument's sake.
    I would absolutely love for someone to bring a legitimate rare coin here. Has it happened since I have been a member here? Not a single time.
    Will I congratulate OP if it comes back legit? Absolutely. Will it happen? Absolutely not.
     
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  3. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I agree with the others that said it's a Chinese fake. The mushy strike and indistinct rims are characteristics of "Alibaba $10 per dozen" fakes available a few years ago (better ones are probably available today). The weakness your seeing is not due to wear

    Compare your coin to confirmed pieces
    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1944-1c-steel/82722
    The strike, the details, the overall "fabric" of the coin, doesn't look anything like those pictured. This isn't absolute proof, but it's another piece of info that questions the authenticity of your coin

    Another quick check is to take it to a dealer/jeweler that has a handheld XRF. Steel cents had a zinc pkating, so if you don't see moderate Zn levels, it's fake (XRF penetrates deep enough that it will also pick up the Fe and other components of the steel). Also, check the edge. Steel planchets were punched from zinc plated sheets, so the steel is exposed along the edge. Overtime, you may be able to detect color differences (not foolproof, but another potentially useful data point).

    Finally, there is the question of context. Where did you get the coin. Did you buy recently at a flea market or ebay? Was it in a roll of sheets you purchased? I don't see any rust on the surface, so if you got it in circulation, it hasn't been out there very long. Has it been in your family for decades? No need to tell us the details, you can use them to make your own decision, but with the proliferation of Chinese fakes, finds without verifiable provenance should raise some flags.

    Remember, finding an authentic 1944 steel cent is similar to lottery odds. Throw in the number of fakes out there and you can see why it's unlikely you found one. Your pics suggest a it's a fake, and you didn't provide any other details that would point to authenticity. That's why members are telling you to save your money. I truly believe that most members will be excited for you if it comes back authentic, but based on what you showed so far, I don't think that's going to happen
     
  4. israel f

    israel f Member

    jcro57..


    still no pics? of all 3 cents you state you have??????
     
  5. israel f

    israel f Member

    ty oldhoopster......for all your words....really
     
  6. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    True. Same person with different user names.
    Always posting stupid post of false information.
    Never any information of value.
     
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  7. UncleScroge

    UncleScroge Well-Known Member

    Then why are you not posting them as has been requested? We'd all like to see them for comparison, side by side.
     
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  8. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    @israel f

    ...I warned you I would drop the science on you (i.e. humiliate you; it really is not smart to call me out indirectly as a liar).

    Here are my three 1944 fakes as I stated I have
    IMG_0202.jpg

    Now notice your fake compared to one of mine. Notice the exact same faint/weak spots of lettering on the reverse and the faint/weak strike of Lincolns bust. same color. Same luster.

    Yours... 20200330_133426.jpg 20200330_134321.jpg

    ...and mine...
    IMG_0203.jpg IMG_0204.jpg

    Now, hopefully you really did learn something and can end your nonsense. The comparisons leave no doubt. Same coin from the same dies.

    Game Over...
     
  9. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    There isn't one member here who wouldn't be overjoyed at being included in
    seeing the first photos of a discovery coin, or an ultra rare newly found, 44 steel, 43 copper etc. But there is a difference between dreaming and reality. A difference between facts and fantasy. No one is being paid to give your their valuable, informed opinion. Which in many cases has taken quite a number of decades of study.
    A new collector comes on and has access to all of this knowledge for nothing,
    and then they get their feathers ruffled when it appears, they are all being negative out of jealousy, or whatever. Nothing can be further from the truth. The fact is,
    the fakes, counterfeits, copies, replicas always outnumber the genuine pieces by
    millions and millions to 1, and in the case of a super rare coin, it's usually fake.
    We all wish it was real as that is a huge moment for the hobby.
     
  10. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    @JCro57 did you include those in your book?

    BTW: any update on a publisher?
     
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  11. frankjg

    frankjg Well-Known Member

  12. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    @JCro57 is the Yoda of errors today
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  13. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

  14. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    In the final editing process on my book. Publisher hunt begins soon, but likely delays in hearing from them until this stupid virus thing has people coming back to their senses.

    I did include this under the "fake/altered coins section." Here is one page from my book... New Part 5.jpg
     
  15. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

  16. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    @israel f Stick around. There are a lot of very knowledgeable people on CT more than willing to share the experience. Sometimes things can get detailed but if you go back to the first few posts, people were just trying to save you some money.

    Also, don't worry if you made a mistake and thought it was real. I'm sure every experienced member on CT has made mistakes like this (I made my share). The cost is called "tuition" and we've all paid it. The best thing is to learn from it and move on
     
  17. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    So this is how it works , so maybe this little group of doubters is the same person with many different user names. Up until you told this I didn't know it was allowed to have extra user names. I may want to get a couple extra but then I'm not like that.
     
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  18. frankjg

    frankjg Well-Known Member

    You’re not, it’s a sure fire way to get booted out of here.

    can you at least acknowledge @JCro57 fantastic exposition on why the OPs coin is fake?
     
  19. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    But that would involve him admitting he is wrong....
     
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  20. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

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  21. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    *Good, he is.
    Fixed it for you ;)
     
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