Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Rats, Mar 18, 2019.
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Could be. After looking at more that I know are genuine, it looks like the position of the lettering seems to vary. I don’t know much about it besides what I’ve found online though. Here’s a few more for reference.
It’s a pretty useless endeavor. 1943 copper cents could be struck from any die pair, and it would be no protection from plated cents.
Just click on the thumbnails
Especially a big show with PCGS and/or NGC present
Thanks for the info! I may just hold onto it.
Rats, how do you think this got into grandma's jar of coins now that it appears to be fake? It has a questionable MM and looks like other examples from aliexpress...
as the leftover copper planchets could have been struck by different dies.
However, while another 43 copper may turn up one day, I have read too many posts about this coin being found in a jar of coins too many times to ever think it's not fake. There are 1 million fakes for every real one, and it's probably the most looked for Lincoln coin and one hasn't turned off in a very long time. I tried to research when the last genuine 43 copper was discovered, and IDK when that was, but it wasn't recently. If anyone knows when the last 43 copper was discovered, I would be interested in that information. TY
Still the mint mark would be MMS-005 and I could be wrong but to me the mint mark on the OP coin looks like MMS-002.
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It’s not steel. He said it doesn’t stick to a magnet and he provided a picture showing the coin weighs 3.1 grams which is spot on for a copper cent. Steel cents weigh 2.70 grams.
The coin must be non-magnetic.
The coin must have the same standard weight of 3.11 grams for copper cents.
The coin must have the same long tailed 3 as the steel cent.
The coin must have an exceptionally sharp strike, especially around the rim. This is because the mint increased die pressures to account for the harder steel material. The softer copper cents were struck with the same higher die pressure used for the steel cents.
This coin clearly passes the first 3 tests. I’m not sure it passes the fourth test, although it is noteworthy that Rats mentioned the rim is thinner on part of the coin.
Old Walter also didn’t get the experience the Chinese gift that keeps on giving. Take as you will.
But Walter Breen didn't have to deal with Alibaba and Chinese fakes. I can't say for certain if you have something or not, but the odds are significantly against you. One thing you could do is research Alibaba and see if your coin is a die match. Short of that, you'll need to pony up your $50+ and ship it off to a top tier TPG. I really hope you have something, but the realist in me is doubtful
That may not be enough nowadays to authenticate the coin because of the newer Chinese counterfeits, but it must still pass those same four tests.
My question is, does it pass the fourth test? Does the sharpness of the strike due to the higher die pressure match that of known genuine copies? If it does not, then you can conclude it is not genuine. If it does, then you still can’t conclude anything without more testing.
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