1943 penny... Woody?

TonkawaBill · Sep 2, 2020

GH#75 said: ↑

Never thought this could happen to a steel cent... But it looks like a bit of a woody to me. What do you think? View attachment 1168550 View attachment 1168551 View attachment 1168552

Visible on the obverse fields. Very minor, but I think it's there.
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I don't see it as a Woody

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Paddy54 · Sep 2, 2020

Woodies....

John Burgess · Sep 2, 2020

Paddy54 said: ↑

Woodies....
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That Justin Lee character sure can take a damn fine picture!

Paddy54 · Sep 2, 2020

John Burgess said: ↑

That Justin Lee character sure can take a damn fine picture!
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And Justin has an eye for coins too. As I purchased the ones imaged from him.
I have a 1955 Franklin half in the proof set I purchased from him....he has captured that half so vivid. He's an artist for sure.

Pickin and Grinin · Sep 2, 2020

Paddy54 said: ↑

And Justin has an eye for coins too. As I purchased the ones imaged from him.
I have a 1955 Franklin half in the proof set I purchased from him....he has captured that half so vivid. He's an artist for sure.
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Sure wish some of the old crew would post again. @jtlee321 has posted some amazing coins not to mention a great photographer.

Cheech9712 · Sep 2, 2020

GH#75 said: ↑

Never thought this could happen to a steel cent... But it looks like a bit of a woody to me. What do you think? View attachment 1168550 View attachment 1168551 View attachment 1168552

Visible on the obverse fields. Very minor, but I think it's there.
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Like you said. Nah

Cheech9712 · Sep 2, 2020

John Burgess said: ↑

it's a zinc coated steel cent, it can have roller lines, it can't be a "woodie" the composition of the planchet is 99% steel with a thin layer of zinc, steel easily takes on lines from rolling to get it at the right thickness, these lines will show through the plating on struck coins even and don't always get obliterated in the strike.

Not trying to offend anyone here so please don't take the next part as offensive but
in my opinion, neither of the bronze cents on this thread are woodies so far, both look to be environmentally damaged or scratched heavily mechanically.

this is an example of a woody although not as dramatic as others, it's got nothing at all to do with scratches or pitting or uniform lines and everything to do with the metal composition toning at different rates because the Bronze alloy isn't mixed well (95% copper, 2.5% tin, 2.5% zinc.) its due to an improperly mixed alloy and the mix toning at different rates over time. all of the luster is there with the toning and cartwheels with light still. View attachment 1168912 View attachment 1168916

this next one below Is an example of roller lines on a plated cent this one is copper plated zinc. this is not plating bubbles or linear plating blisters, this is roller lines from the machine to bring the zinc sheet to spec thickness. it's present on obverse and reverse and is present on fields and devices. the below is an extreme example of roller lines. a lot of it normally gets obliterated in the strike. but if the rollers are well worn, the grooves it imparts on the metal being rolled thinner get deeper.I know the picture appears like the lines are raised, but they are not. the lines are incused on obverse and reverse. if it were linear plating blisters, they would be raised, or if it were heavy die abrasions, they would be raised. lines are there on lincolns forehead, nose, cheek, neck, jacket, even the deepest recesses it's still faintly there all incused. same on reverse through the memorial, and the stairs, the lines persist in the deepest parts of the strike, just weaker/less noticeable at the most deep points.

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I would say the steel cent is likely staining,, a possibility of slight roller lines, the zinc plating on the steel cent is not an alloy and so it will not tone at different rates to give an appearance of a woodie, it's literally all pure zinc coated.

the 1919 S graininess is likely environmental damage, maybe a bit of time spent in acidic soil? Just a guess on this. I believe it's PMD.
the 1920's something (1926?) cent could be roller lines, but could be done by an abrasive also there appear to be lines that don't fit the rolling pattern direction, but that could be due to two sources of the lines that are seen, one of roller lines, and one of abrasions. I'm feeling PMD here also.

Again, I am not trying to offend anyone on here or rag on people's coins, just giving my opinions on what I'm seeing and what I know to be on this topic and wanting to share. Please don't take it personal. I can be wrong, maybe I am, just my 2 cents. I spent a long time on all these planchet issues to figure out the differences of these planchet issues, and in the end, really none of it is value adding, since it's all "pre-strike" or planchet preparation problems and not really "mint errors". the added value might come if you have an auction with a few woodie collectors that are looking for a certain toning pattern for their set that will pay extra to fight for it and bid it up. My opinion, that will happen with any coin if a number of collectors bidding at an auction consider a coin to have exceptional eye appeal.
Anyways, my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth! Hahahaha
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Don’t go green on us. But you got my best answer. No green ok

Cheech9712 · Sep 2, 2020

John Burgess said: ↑

it's a zinc coated steel cent, it can have roller lines, it can't be a "woodie" the composition of the planchet is 99% steel with a thin layer of zinc, steel easily takes on lines from rolling to get it at the right thickness, these lines will show through the plating on struck coins even and don't always get obliterated in the strike.

Not trying to offend anyone here so please don't take the next part as offensive but
in my opinion, neither of the bronze cents on this thread are woodies so far, both look to be environmentally damaged or scratched heavily mechanically.

this is an example of a woody although not as dramatic as others, it's got nothing at all to do with scratches or pitting or uniform lines and everything to do with the metal composition toning at different rates because the Bronze alloy isn't mixed well (95% copper, 2.5% tin, 2.5% zinc.) its due to an improperly mixed alloy and the mix toning at different rates over time. all of the luster is there with the toning and cartwheels with light still. View attachment 1168912 View attachment 1168916

this next one below Is an example of roller lines on a plated cent this one is copper plated zinc. this is not plating bubbles or linear plating blisters, this is roller lines from the machine to bring the zinc sheet to spec thickness. it's present on obverse and reverse and is present on fields and devices. the below is an extreme example of roller lines. a lot of it normally gets obliterated in the strike. but if the rollers are well worn, the grooves it imparts on the metal being rolled thinner get deeper.I know the picture appears like the lines are raised, but they are not. the lines are incused on obverse and reverse. if it were linear plating blisters, they would be raised, or if it were heavy die abrasions, they would be raised. lines are there on lincolns forehead, nose, cheek, neck, jacket, even the deepest recesses it's still faintly there all incused. same on reverse through the memorial, and the stairs, the lines persist in the deepest parts of the strike, just weaker/less noticeable at the most deep points.

View attachment 1168920 View attachment 1168921

I would say the steel cent is likely staining,, a possibility of slight roller lines, the zinc plating on the steel cent is not an alloy and so it will not tone at different rates to give an appearance of a woodie, it's literally all pure zinc coated.

the 1919 S graininess is likely environmental damage, maybe a bit of time spent in acidic soil? Just a guess on this. I believe it's PMD.
the 1920's something (1926?) cent could be roller lines, but could be done by an abrasive also there appear to be lines that don't fit the rolling pattern direction, but that could be due to two sources of the lines that are seen, one of roller lines, and one of abrasions. I'm feeling PMD here also.

Again, I am not trying to offend anyone on here or rag on people's coins, just giving my opinions on what I'm seeing and what I know to be on this topic and wanting to share. Please don't take it personal. I can be wrong, maybe I am, just my 2 cents. I spent a long time on all these planchet issues to figure out the differences of these planchet issues, and in the end, really none of it is value adding, since it's all "pre-strike" or planchet preparation problems and not really "mint errors". the added value might come if you have an auction with a few woodie collectors that are looking for a certain toning pattern for their set that will pay extra to fight for it and bid it up. My opinion, that will happen with any coin if a number of collectors bidding at an auction consider a coin to have exceptional eye appeal.
Anyways, my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth! Hahahaha
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You sound like my brother in law He still works a THe Brass in Buffalo. Now that’s an expert. I’m guessing maybe 30 years. I’ll show this to him. I might have to bring a lunch cuz I want to know all about the coin before they (mint) slaps Abe’s face on it. He makes bullet shells. Thanks for this opportunity

Cheech9712 · Sep 2, 2020

Inspector43 said: ↑

Here is a woody.
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#help. What are you members seeing. I see lines by date of 05 Cent. Can’t see my version of a woody cent. Saw a few that I could tell

Cheech9712 · Sep 2, 2020

paddyman98 said: ↑

This is Woody!
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Your a Peach

Cheech9712 · Sep 2, 2020

paddyman98 said: ↑

This is Woody!
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You must have one to show. Not sure what a wood cent would look like

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