1943 P Steel Reverse die crack from rim thru U to O large die gouge.

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  1. Nolan Workman

    Nolan Workman Well-Known Member

    Found a double on Abe's upper eye lid. Does that count? 2017-07-04_164711_084.jpg
     
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  3. Nolan Workman

    Nolan Workman Well-Known Member

    Double on Abe's eyelid. Does this count? 2017-07-04_170754_523.jpg
     
  4. Nolan Workman

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  5. Nolan Workman

    Nolan Workman Well-Known Member

    Double on tip of right wheat stalk. 2017-07-04_174611_424.jpg
     
  6. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

  7. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Agreed, and for Nolan's sake, is also often referred to as "reprocessed". In addition, such replated cents often display doubling very similar as to what can be seen on the latter part of the date.
     
  8. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Nolan, the 1943 planchets were punched from steel sheet that already had the zinc coats, so the obv. and reverse show zinc, whereas the edge has a center section that was steel, and appears quite different. If the edge is like the surfaces it is reprocessed. Jim
     
  9. Nolan Workman

    Nolan Workman Well-Known Member

    If you read my posts, you'll see I visited a site that explained the rim color difference on a refinished coin. So, I guess where we are going, is that even with all the details, the coin is worthless due to refinishing. Am I correct? I don't see how refinishing could double the eye lids on Abe? It is a keeper for me, and I believe, had it not been re-plated, it would have oxidized away fifty years ago.
    To BooksB4Coins reference to the 43, I know the image is "iffy", I found it late in the day and did not play around with it. Whether or not the refinishing makes it junk or not, I enjoyed finding PUPs that went directly to Wexler. Thanks to everyone for participating. I took to heart, the post of an external light source to my microscope and plan to pick up a wall light dimmer and try to find three individual LED light sources and try that in picture taking.
     
  10. Ordinary Fool

    Ordinary Fool Active Member

    Amazing, much better pictures, actually useful even, and that is one of many DDO's for 43. I'll be very candid, some have an added premium significant enough you really need to know if it has been chromed or not, your pictures don't prove to me it has or has not. I am actually leaning towards not 'reprocessed' and suspect it is a very nice coin.

    If it is not 'reprocessed', it appears to be MS something and if 65 or better, you have what could prove to be a decent $piff.

    If you have no others, take it to your local Brick and Mortar coin shop or flea market and compare. It won't take 10 seconds for you to compare and know yourself.

    Orrrrrrrrrr.... photograph it with a nice copper cent, nickel and dime/quarter (clad or silver) for a comparison having something visually meaningful as benchmarks. Maybe using some commonly known candy bar wrapper or whatever for a background.

    Now attributing which one it is out of what I am sure you have found to be many that year, and most having the eye as a key PUP, you got your work cut out for you to make sure you put the correct alpha numeric nomenclature on its flip.

    Great job on upping the imaging game.
     
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  11. Nolan Workman

    Nolan Workman Well-Known Member

    Through research, I discovered a novelty card of coins called "Coins of World War II" it included a 43 steel, War nickel, dime and quarter from 43. I don't know if the coins were reprocessed on these cards and I don't know if this is where this one came from, I got it from my 90 year old Methodist minister father in law at his passing, he was not a coin collector, so I don't know where he came by it. I will take it to a coin dealer to remove all doubt. Having owned a '58 Chevy with a 500 pound chrome bumper, I don't believe this is chromed; it could be, but I put it up against the chrome base of my desk lamp and it does not match, very scientific. Thanks for all the help and encouragement.
     
  12. Ordinary Fool

    Ordinary Fool Active Member

    In the time you took to type that, you could have just as easily busted off a couple pix with other coins and such for a reference, and likely gotten this resolved on the spot and perhaps learned a bit more about imaging white metal colored coins. :)

    Maybe.....

    or heck, you could even compare it to as many as you wish on ebay.
     
  13. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    There are a lot of different reasons you can collect it. You don't have to rationalize to us. It won't be given a grade like that. People plate these all different ways. Reason therefore is obvious to any ten-year-old, to mask corrosion or otherwise turn a steel fence gray coin to a shiny bright coin. The errors and history are still there. Only the numismatic value is plated away. Besides that, nothing else is changed.
     
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  15. Nolan Workman

    Nolan Workman Well-Known Member

    As I mentioned above, I got this coin from a 90 year old man, I did not entertain the idea the coin was refurbished, he was a young man in '43 so it could have come into his possession as a new coin. Not knowing about the plating issue, I looked at the coin and discovered the die crack on the reverse and I thought it cool, found references on Wexler to some other areas on the coin, so I posted it, thinking it was the real deal and immediately stepped into the plating issue. I scrambled to find the site that referenced the process and reported back that, at a minimum, it was re-plated with zinc evident on the edges, further, I found refurbished coins in novelty cards and I figure the coins were plated to make them more attractive to sell. On the upside, I got a lot of positive input and ideas for my optics.
     
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