1943 copper penny!!!

Cogglews:
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If you crop your photos and get rid of all that unnecessary white space, the pictures may be clear enough to form an opinion. What we really need is a closeup of the date.

 

Sorry satootoko for starting a new thread i know that's my 2nd time doing so as well i could not figure out how to put pictures on here without starting a new thread, However i will crop out all the white and post REALLY HUGE closeup of the date, i had to use a friend's scanner so i will have to wait a few hours to get the picture however i will have it by the end of today... we are really sceptical about sending it in or having it checked out. We are afraid it might get lost or stolen we have a few people that we trust that will take a look it's just there pretty busy and well today is thanksgiving so happy thanksgiving everybody!

 

Everyone is sceptical but there is really no need to be---I mean you aren't going to mark the package RARE COIN INSIDE....the grading companies are trusted and as for it getting lost---send it next day with the insureance maxed out---the PO isn't going to lose it.
I just hope that the people you trust to look it over know what they are doing---do not let them clean it to try to take off a layer of the copper---my suggestion is to take it to a dealer near you and let him weigh it and look it over---and if there is any chance that it is real I would send it to PCI or ANACS.

Speedy

 

Here is another closer screenshot for some reason it won't save the picture any larger than that, and even when i zoom into the date it is kinda blury

 

nvm the file is to big i don't have time to resize it yet...

 

Pictures resiszed slightly!!!

I had some trouble resizing the pictures of the 1943 Cent but was able to get the pics a little bit bigger! The coin appears to be authentic and the "3" does not appear to be a re-cut "8". However, a trip to ANACS for authentication and grading is still recommended and must if you ever decide to sell the coin!


Frank

 

Hey that's awesome thank you huntsman53! yeah if i google just ANACS coin it pulls up there website and prices for sending it in i just don't know what category it would fall into... I know the non-minted category but ya we will see.. and they are definitally trustworthy huh? and you can get like insurance on it or something while its being sent? i dunno just don't wanna take any chances.

 

I sure hope for you that it is real---but I do strongly suggest that you don't get your hopes up.
There is one chance in a million that this will turn out real---there are many ways to fake this coin other than reworking the date---Frank is right and I would agree that the date looks ok---it could be a struck copy---it could be plated, etc....ANACS would be fine---when you go to the Post office ask to insure it to the max---tell them that it is a NUMISMATIC ITEM and that it is collectible---nothing more.
ANACS is trusted--I used to use them all the time because I thought they were the best---then their grading went kindof south but in the last few weeks it looks like the bad part has left and they are back to maybe normal---even with their grading south they were one of the most trusted grading companies...I didn't mean to make it sound bad....I wouldn't think twice to send this coin to them.

Speedy

 

Speedy is right! It is a one in a million chance that the coin is real but some folks have hit the Lottery Jackpot the first time they bought a ticket, so don't give up on hope. The real concern is the weight but given that it looks like a couple of chunks of metal were taken out of the coin and the fact that there were quite a few cents struck on under-weight planchets during 1942 and even 1944, it is still possible that the coin is genuine. Heck, even the weight is about right for some of the under-weight cents that were struck on experimental or foreign coin planchets!

I mentioned using ANACS since PCGS and NGC (the top two TPG's, #1 and #2 respectively) will body bag the coin due to the damage and ANACS is rated third with PCI coming in fourth as far as rating. Also, the folks at ANACS are highly respected for their knowledge of rare and very old coins as well as counterfeits!


Frank

 

First of all welcome!

This statement proves the coin is not a genuine 1943 copper cent. The amount of wear on your coin would not cause it's weight to be so light. A weight of 2.55 grams definatively proves the coin to be a forgery. I'm sorry to be the bearer of such unfortunate news.

This is how most people feel if they don't understand (or routinely participate in) the professional third partied grading process. It is a natural, but mistaken feeling. The reality is that the TPG's handle much more valuable coins than yours would have been (had it been a real 43 copper cent) on a regular basis. They just don't lose coins, and in the exceptionally rare instance where they do they pay the real world replacement cost of the coins. Additionally, registered mail is extremely safe. It is the best way to transport very valuable things (IIRC, the Hope diamond has been shipped through registered mail; also, I have been told that the US govt. ships gold bars via registered mail when they need to be transported). It is a safe process and insurance is available throughout the process. Unfortunately, it is unecessary in this case.

 

Frank, the coin is missing 1/6 it weight! this is not the result of a few missing chunks!

You are right, though, that if he insists on having it authenticated, then ANACS is the correct choice. I just think it will be a waste of $20.

 

Cave Troll,

True but that is why I mentioned the under-weight planchets! I have several 1942-P and 1944-P Cents that were struck on under-weight, thinner than normal rolled planchet stock. These are about the same thickness of a dime and weigh around and even lower than cogglews' 1943 Cent.


Frank

 

I just want to say to everybody thanks for your feedback i definitally have not at one point told myself this coin is real however i have not said it's fake i will in no way get my hopes up but yes the weight is the first thing that made me think it is not authentic and if it will only cost about $20 to get the coin examed then i would definitally do that... now Cave Troll i just wanna add my mother has had this coin for roughly 25 year's but yes that long ago i am sure they could have easily made a counterfit, i have been doing alotta research the past day and i figured the BEST way is to get oppinions of people on forums, hence what i am doing , and there has been a few of you that have said ANACS as an option, they sound trustworthy plus i read over there whole dislaimer and stuff on there site... it looks good! and when i do get it authenticated this thread WILL still be here and i will update it just to let all of you know what happened and if it is counterfit then i will post WHY it is counterfit more knowledge is always a good thing, i love learning new things and honestly i just learned about the 1943 copper cent 2 day's ago!

 

cogglews,

I am hoping the best of luck for you and hope to read your follow-up posting soon! If it comes back authentic, it will be enlightning to find out any information they provide about the coin being under-weight and if not authentic, the information will still serve as a learning tool.

If by chance, there is a large Coin Show coming up near where you live, then you could show the coin to one or several of the representatives of the several Coin Grading Service Companies that will more than likely have booths at the Coin Show. Since you could get an opinion on authenticity there before sending the coin for authentication, certification and grading, this would save you the funds in case it is a counterfeit! ANACS usually has a booth at most of the biigger Coin Shows and there may be others like SEGS. Although SEGS rates behind the top four TPG's, Larry Briiggs with SEGS, is well known for his knowledge and expertise on Early American and Counterfeit Coins! Besides, it is always a delight to talk with Larry and view all of the Early and Rare American Half Cents, Large Cents, Half Dollars, Silver Dollars and other coins he has for sale. Heck, you might even find interest in some of his' coins but beware, most are worth some serious duckies!


Frank

 

Hey Frank
Just thought you would like to know that ANACS doesn't set up at shows anymore---James Taylor decided that it took too much time so he took that away.
Since he quit maybe they will start doin that again.

Speedy

 

Speedy,

Thanks! I was wondering why I had not seen them at the last few Coin Shows that I have attended! I should have asked but never did.


Frank

 

So we had the coin looked at by a very well known person based out of utah here.. He said it is a counterfit, also he stated its the best looking counterfit he has ever seen, he sais there is a crack by lincons nose that goes up his head and off the coin if you look very closely you CAN see it to the naked eye, also he said it looks like they put some black stuff on it that made it look older and then probably took that chunk out thereselves, however WHO know's we still will have it sent in for grading and i will follow up with WHY it is coutnerfit, it is a bronze casting of a 1943 steel. Also another thing that made him say it was counterfit is the simple fact that the picture is if you would say not so sharp you can tell it was not struck as hard as it should have been... also the coin weighs 2.1 grams on his scale which also proves it's not real, 1942 and 1944 P's you were talking about could still be a theory, so i think we will have it sent in just to learn more about this and also to find out EXACTALLY how they can tell its counterfit. THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR INPUT IT IS MUCH APPRICIATED! I will follow up on this thread after it has been graded by ANACS! Thank you!

 

Cogglews
That is something else---ANACS will more than likely NOT tell you why or how they know it is fake---they will bodybag it and lable it as fake.

Speedy

 

Hmmm, i see... What if i request it? or is there any other companies that will tell you why?