1943 Copper Penny Found

I could be wrong, but 44 cents were brass made from used shells during the war.
If you are comparing weights, you might compare with a 42 copper cent.
There might be a difference in weight due to different compostion.
Just a thought. Don't have reference in front of me to compare weights, but it is probably different between 42 and 44.

 

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That one doesn't look real to me either. Better than the subject of this thread, but still many features that appear 'off' on that coin.
One of my local coin shops has access to several counterfiet coins that were certified as real by PCGS... So it wouldn't be a huge surprise. This shop documents the fakes and puts up posters of the coins in the slabs around the shop!

 

1944-45 "Shell copper" cents have the same weight and tolerances of the pre-1943 and the post 1945 cents until 1982, so there would be no discernible weight difference. Also the die appearance would not reflect on the 1943 bronze cents, as they came from an individual bronze leftover ( transitional) planchet and were as far as I can find each struck with a difference working die ( if someone has info to the contrary, I would like to know it). So the question with the OP coin is whether any other 1943 steel cent was struck with a similar die ( and I have not seen or read about such, and it would have made some reference for sure). I am leaning to a struck counterfeit if the weight is correct for bronze,

here is a thread of mine on a 1943 "bronze" counterfeit that I had in my possession for a while.
http://www.cointalk.com/t99229/

 

I wasn't sure.
It just popped into my head while I was reading.
It's counterintuative that they would be the same weight was my line of thought.
Now we know.

 

There is no way that this coin can be a doubled die . if this was a doubled die with this wide a seperation instead of only a few letters being doubled they all would have to be doubled by the same amount , even the words ONE CENT. this appears to be the same as the altered state quarters that some corrupt sellers were trying to sell on Ebay a while back and calling them double strikes. the quarters had two and sometimes three sets of letters that looked really good and most of the time they were only doubled on a few words in one area only and sometimes on the outer edges only.

look to the right of the E in ONE , the three raised dots are the remnants from another E and to the right ot the T in CENT is another raised dot. I don't think this is a Chinese fake , it just looks altered to me. I think I know how this was done but I'm not
going to say how on the forum. look below the L in Liberty , Does this look like part of a seam ?

 

I can see that reasoning. the biggest problem using weight to differentiate the variations is that tolerances have to be noted. The bronze cent of 1942 or 1944 ( Shell) is 3.11, but plus or minus 0.13 grams, so even a fairly significant different in composition would still fall within tolerance levels of 2.98 grams - 3.23 grams. Most UNC are very close to 3.11, but allowances were made.

Breen says in his encyclopedia that there were 2 different lot weights for the 1943 "steel" cents, 2.689 and 2.754 grams, but one can not tell them apart as the tolerances cover both types, so there can't be a 1943 type 1 and 1943 type 2 in regard to planchet weight.

 

Unbelievable how anyone could look at this coin and think for even a second that it's real.

 

Thats smart, i never thought of that

 

Thats very scary to hear!

 

Its a clockwise double die rotation as if a second image was placed on top and turned slightly to the right exactly as the 55 was just weaker

 

Im dropping the coin off at the shop with another coin in question, he said he will still pay for the 43! anyway ill get back to u guys. Its NGC by the way, i didnt wanna put alot of money into the coin especially if its not mine

 

So the 1943 copper cent is not your coin?

 

I was wondering the same thing.

 

Yes it is my coin, i found it in a bag of steels, he is just paying to have it graded

 

Ok, just left it at the shop to be sent in its shipping out today and i should have it back around wednesday (hopefully before thursday because im leaving for england) i dont want that sitting in my mailbox or at the post office...

 

How do they know that they are counterfeit? if PCGS graded counterfeit coins im scared...

 

PCGS wouldn't slab a counterfeit coin.

They are the author to

 

PCGS, and all grading companies have slipped up somewhere along the way.

 

I agree with that. But I also feel that PCGS' counterfeit detection is more sharper today than say late 80s, early 90s?

 

if it gets to the point where pcgs cant tell then coin collecting will be pointless. Im so sick of these casts and die stuck fakes everwhere