1943 Copper Cent. Is it real???

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by diamonddaisy27, Jul 21, 2017.

  1. diamonddaisy27

    diamonddaisy27 New Member

    Hi everyone. I have recently acquired a 1943-S lincoln cent that does not stick to a magnet and has no clear indication that the date has been fabricated in any way. I have come here in search of your opinions. I have posted a few photos below. Sorry for the lighting. They were taken through a magnifying lens. The penny weighs exactly 3.11 grams. Please give your opinions on its possible authenticity, and is it worth it to have the coin graded? Thank you
     

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  3. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Based upon the pieces I've handled and
    authenticated, your's in a struck counterfeit.

    The obv. of the coin doesn't look right -

    (the weight isn't a confirmation point -
    there are thousands of 3.1 copper planchets
    available to struck counterfeits on.

    Before you submit it to PCGS or NGC and
    spend upwards of $100+ on it, can you
    take it to a coin shop in your town and
    ask them to look at it?

    They might - might - be able to see and point
    out to you any raised lines or marks on the
    coin that would show it's from counterfeit
    dies.

    How did you acquire it?
     
  4. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    The obv. rims don't look right, especially
    how they enter the field of the coin.

    I'm certain, based on the photos, that it's not genuine.
     
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  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    I'll never argue/disagree with Fred
     
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  6. PennyGuy

    PennyGuy US and CDN Copper

    Anyone that does is either a fool or _______________. Fill in the blank yourself.
     
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  7. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    Yep I have heard of Fred Weinberg before I was even into coins haha
     
  8. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Wow fred. Guess you an so called expert. Does the 3 tell us something
     
  9. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Look below
     
  10. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

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    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

  12. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Hi.. The 3 is one of the first things that I look at. But it is not that.
    This might help explain a bit ;)
    I want to share this webpage with you - https://www.thespruce.com/genuine-or-fake-1943-copper-penny-768883
    Quote - "Chinese Counterfeit Coins
    There are some high-quality counterfeit coins that are being manufactured in China. These are made to resemble a genuine 1943 Lincoln cent, but the Chinese counterfeiters use copper blanks. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to tell the difference between a genuine 1943 copper penny and a Chinese counterfeit. Fortunately, Lincoln cent experts at third party grading services can tell the difference by closely inspecting the coin under a stereo microscope." closed quote
     
  13. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Not only that, he can write complete, coherent sentences!
     
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  14. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

  15. jay4202472000

    jay4202472000 Well-Known Member

    Beautiful detective work Tyler! It even has the same weird slope to the rim at the top. Must be a common reverse die they use.
     
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  16. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the recognition! Had to figure out what Fred was seeing!! Was bugging me lol
     
  17. jay4202472000

    jay4202472000 Well-Known Member

    Also notice they have the same die gouge at the bottom of the reverse. It runs WNW from the rim and is under the tip of the left wheat stem. Both coins were definitely struck from the same reverse die. Stupid counterfeits! Hate it for the OP.
     
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  18. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    It's never real.
     
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