1943 cents - were there different types?

Here is one from right here at CT: http://www.cointalk.com/attachments/256679d1366508825-image.jpg my mark up:

 

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The very end of the tail of the 3 one of the lowest parts of the design. It doesn't take much abrading to start shortening the tail and making it look different. Also one well placed hit can change the shape of it very easily.

 

Just lucky that it keeps happening in just the right spot ?

 

Only on s coins?

 

Further, if you try drawing lines from the point of the top 3 tail to the bottom one you can see that the SW tails are not too short. Then imagine how you would remove metal from the regular 3 (from what places) to make it look like the SW tail. Those are different curves.

 

I don't have a clue what you are trying to argue. It's impossible to understand you.

I went to Ebay and searched for a while. The SW tail as you call it, is found in great quantity from all three mints and in all grades.

Nothing rare, no missing mintmarks, no proofs. What are you trying to argue?

 

Actually, examination of the OP would explain what I was on about. I didn't seek any argument yet they ensued. Really, you can't understand the OP? This is news, you are the first one to admit that the SW tail variety does in fact exist and you have further claimed that it is common from all mints. Thank you. I'll go look around on ebay a bit and see if I can find those great quantities.

 

I have no idea because tquite frankly, if a steel cent isn't an MS67 or punched on a bronze or copper planchet, then its just a cent to me.

These posts are very reminiscent of themansionshop and his "Pennache".

 

Once again, in the words of "The Captain":

"What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach... which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men."

Cool Hand Luke
1967

 

Are you suggesting there are 2 different style 3s for 1943 cents?

 

It does seem that way. At least some S coins exhibit it. I haven't been able to verify ldhair 's claim of "found in great quantity from all three mints and in all grades." - I found another nice example on an S coin only. That style of 3 - with the SW tail is used all over many years of coins. (check your 73 & 83 cents - 63's seems to use the W tail) I suppose its rare occurrence in 1943 is what makes its occurrence special. It also seems that almost nobody has recognized its occurrence before and even now that we do, it is nothing to crow about. I still haven't see it on the D coin or other Philly coins, perhaps someone can link us up?

 

If there is anything - it probably orginates with a hub and the tail of the 3 being buffed off. Your images are out of focus and the condition of the coins chosen for comparative purposes are not in very good shape.

 

My particular coin aside, I am curious if there is a consensus that the 43 cents had two distinct types of 3 used.

 

Hey look Maynard, there is even a name for it "The only significant divergence is that the 3 was non-descending (the same size as a 0, 1, or 2) in the early history, before switching to descending for one year in 1934 and then permanently (as of 2004) in 1943." I dunno, SW tail or descending which sounds better? So then 1943 was a transitional year, yes?

 

Not with the evidence you've provided.

 

Well then, which type 3 do you think is the one and only in 1943 cents?

 

I don't understand. The mint made a permanent change to the (3) in 2004 - heck that's 9 years before a (3) would be used in a coin date.

 

What that wiki article was saying was that up to 2004 anyway, not sure after that yet.

 

Ok that clears it up somewhat but did you look at the images I posted (1933, 1943-S, 1943-D). In the images you provided and also in my images of 1943 were all the descending 3. None resemble the non-descending (3) used in 1933.

As I stated before - the images you provided are not clear. The coins used to make your images are not in good condition.
Addressing your statement - "My particular coin aside, I am curious if there is a consensus that the 43 cents had two distinct types of 3 used." - Not with the evidence you provided.
But I can say I know of no instance or any evidence the non-descending (3) was utilized in the striking of 1943 cents.

 

I see your point. My issue is about the tail orientation. Some point west, some SW.