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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 3223517, member: 15309"]There is a big difference between net grading a coin that has "problems" rather than deeming the coin a problem coin and lower grades for dipping which you admit does not make a coin a problem coin. If you have any complaint in this regard, it should be that the net graded coin deserves a details holder instead of a net grade. The problem is that most of these coins have been cleaned and it really is a matter of severity which is, wait for it, SUBJECTIVE!</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Easily the most narcissistic comment I have ever read on this forum. You took a grading seminar, so you are the best? Gimmie a break. How many of the professional graders at the TPGs have had tutelage from some of the top numismatists in the world, including guys like John Albanese? My guess, plenty of them have, and all of them have seen more coins, and graded more coins than you have.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Attractive toning is the primary source of eye appeal in uncirculated coins, but even then, the absence of luster makes the color rather mundane and unimpressive. For circulated coins which have no luster, there is very little that can improve the look of the coin. I don't find dirt, grime, and terminal state toning impressive at all despite the fact that it is evidence of originality. You know what the term "wholly original" implies when used by a coin cataloger? Ugly as sin! </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>January 2nd, 2007.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/x2Y66vs.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Bought it raw for a Barber Half Dansco I was working on, had it graded before I sold it.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>People who collect toned uncirculated coins also like the fact that the toning represents originality over the untoned widgets turned out by the dipping stations. That said, the majority of toning is neutral with respect to grade. It is only vivid colorful toning that really impacts eye appeal enough to affect the grade of the coin. You don't see that on circulated coins. What you are describing as eye appeal is just your personal preference.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Again, you have not demonstrated that at all. In the uncirculated grades, the TPGs DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT penalize the grade of a dipped coin unless the dipping impairs the luster of the coin. There are plenty of examples of a dipped coin and toned coin with similar surfaces and luster with the exact same grade. In the circulated grades, coins don't have luster to impair, so the coins, whether dipped or original, will have the same grade.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 3223517, member: 15309"]There is a big difference between net grading a coin that has "problems" rather than deeming the coin a problem coin and lower grades for dipping which you admit does not make a coin a problem coin. If you have any complaint in this regard, it should be that the net graded coin deserves a details holder instead of a net grade. The problem is that most of these coins have been cleaned and it really is a matter of severity which is, wait for it, SUBJECTIVE! Easily the most narcissistic comment I have ever read on this forum. You took a grading seminar, so you are the best? Gimmie a break. How many of the professional graders at the TPGs have had tutelage from some of the top numismatists in the world, including guys like John Albanese? My guess, plenty of them have, and all of them have seen more coins, and graded more coins than you have. Attractive toning is the primary source of eye appeal in uncirculated coins, but even then, the absence of luster makes the color rather mundane and unimpressive. For circulated coins which have no luster, there is very little that can improve the look of the coin. I don't find dirt, grime, and terminal state toning impressive at all despite the fact that it is evidence of originality. You know what the term "wholly original" implies when used by a coin cataloger? Ugly as sin! January 2nd, 2007. [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/x2Y66vs.jpg[/IMG] Bought it raw for a Barber Half Dansco I was working on, had it graded before I sold it. People who collect toned uncirculated coins also like the fact that the toning represents originality over the untoned widgets turned out by the dipping stations. That said, the majority of toning is neutral with respect to grade. It is only vivid colorful toning that really impacts eye appeal enough to affect the grade of the coin. You don't see that on circulated coins. What you are describing as eye appeal is just your personal preference. Again, you have not demonstrated that at all. In the uncirculated grades, the TPGs DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT penalize the grade of a dipped coin unless the dipping impairs the luster of the coin. There are plenty of examples of a dipped coin and toned coin with similar surfaces and luster with the exact same grade. In the circulated grades, coins don't have luster to impair, so the coins, whether dipped or original, will have the same grade.[/QUOTE]
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