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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;huntsman53, post: 169880, member: 1242&quot;]Doug,</p><p><br /></p><p>Sorry I used GDJMSP in my previous post but I just couldn&#039;t remember your name at the time!</p><p><br /></p><p>You actually answered your on question and if you read it over several times, you can then see how it actually happens! However, I will go through the steps of Die Clash progression to get to a Counter-Die Clash and thus, the obtuse details. In this case, I will refer to the Obverse Die as Die #1 and the Reverse Die as Die #2.</p><p><br /></p><p>Let&#039;s say that in the minting process, a planchet does not make it into the collar and Die #1 and Die #2 slam into each other. Let&#039;s say that details such as the Eagle on a Morgan Silver Dollar from Die #2 only get Clashed onto Die #1 at this time. Since the details on Die #2 are incuse, when they are impressed into Die #1, they become obtuse details. ((Any coins minted with this Obverse Die will show Clash Marks (such as the Eagle&#039;s Wing tips or Leaves in the Wreath) on the Obverse.)) Now, let&#039;s say that another planchet does not make it into the collar and the Dies again slam into each other and the obtuse clashed details on Die #1 get clashed back onto Die #2 or a replacement (if the original Die was retired). These details on Die #2 are now incuse the same as the normal details on the Die. When a coin is minted using this Counter Clashed Die (Die #2), the details on the coin will be and can only be Obtuse.</p><p><br /></p><p>I want to make a point about the case of the type of Counter-Die Clashing above! This Counter-Die Clashing is only detectable and only shows up on a coin, when the Clashed Die (Die #1) is not properly aligned on it&#039;s next use with Die #2 or it&#039;s replacement. There are quite a few cases where the Eagle&#039;s Wings tips or Leaves in the Wreath (on the Reverse of a Morgan Silver Dollar) look doubled (but is not actual Doubled Die doubling) on one side (left or right side) of the coin but is very slight. However, there are other cases where the Eagle or Leaves in the Wreath look significantly doubled and the details extend well into the fields. This happens when the Clashed Die (Die #1) and Die #2 or it&#039;s replacement are significantly misaligned upon their next use and the Dies slam into each other because a planchet did not make it into the collar.</p><p><br /></p><p>I hope the above explanations will clear up any misconception between Die Clashing and Counter-Die Clashing! I will try to get some pictures of coins that I own that have Die Clashing and others that have Counter-Die Clashing and post them here for viewing.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Take care...Frank[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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