1922 weak d? Die 3?

Here are a couple auctions from ebay for a "1922 plain" that I think are very questionable.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1922-NO-D-DIE-P...=39:1|66:2|65:1|240:1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
http://cgi.ebay.com/1922-NO-D-Choic...=39:1|66:2|65:1|240:1309&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

The second one looks like it just came from the mint. I may be wrong, but if it is real, why on God's green earth isn't it in a slab??? It looks nicer than the PCGS MS-65 on heritage(the highest graded one I've seen).

anyways, opinions?

 

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They both look like removed mint marks. The mint state one has damage to the date, on an otherwise mint state coin and that can be a sign of damage that occurred when the mint mark was being removed and the other one also looks like a removed mint mark, since I see damage in the area where the mint mark should be.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to tell by variety so maybe someone else will fill us in on that aspect? :thumb:

Ribbit

 

The first one is absolutely not die #2. I agree about the second being slabbed, unless it has been cleaned which is likely. Although there are those out there who do not believe in slabs. For a $50,000+++ coin, he could spend a couple bucks for some good pics. Even from what he does show, the "IN GOD WE" does not look right to me.

 

That was a great and informative article there desertgem. I never knew there was a die pair 4