1921 Peace Dollar grading

Oh, JK means Just Kidding right. You got me! I was just getting ready to "ignore you" NK (not kidding) YIA (yes I am). Please remember I'm over 70 and don't know anything really.

 

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Here is the rub: According to the ANA grading guide, your coin would be AU Typical = AU-50 even though it has an AU-55+ amount of wear. If you get to a coin show where ANACS or ICG is grading for free, show them. I have listened in on "mini-seminars" given to collectors about their coins at both services. Lots of times there is a waiting line.

 

yes JK = Just Kidding and I am just about as old too

 

GOOD! Ignorance is bliss...

 

The scratches are extremely suspicious. They don't look like mint generated striations. I still maintain that it is AU details, because of a pattern of what looks like cleaning damage. It is an attractive coin, but I do not think that it came by this texture and color naturally. Excessive hairlines (and these are both excessive and in a definite back-and -forth pattern indicate a cleaning as I see it.

 

Welcome back Morgan Dude! I enjoy many of your postings In a good information way - honest!

 

Here is an 1857 $1 gold coin with several characteristics.

Can you find the:

1. Mint Striations.
2. Die clash.
3. Short SCRATCH.
4. Luster Loss from rub (change of color).
5. tiny Impact Damage ("bag marks").

 

I do not have much experience with One Dollar Gold Pieces here are my thoughts.
1 Mint Striation in Leaves @ ~3:30-5:00
2 Die clash from top of photo @ 11:00 to right of center on the D of Dollar then from the lower left Serif of the D along side the Oak Branches to top left of Oak Bonnet (Clash of Bridge of Indian Princess Nose to and including part of the Indian Bonnet) also the reverse to libe(RTY) from Princess Bonnet.
3 Short Scratch Bottom between 8 and 5 of 1857 Date
4 Loss of Luster on the Oak Ribbon Tie.
5 Bag Marks noted as diagonal lines from 10:00 to 4:30 from the Dollar to 1857
I also noted some parts of this image are darkened with shadows due to Longacre Doubling making some items appear to be different without extreme magnification.

 

Hope this was the correct Forum Listing to include this info bet the Administrators will let us know @Insider

 

I posted this for education (planchet stria) to refute one members opinions above. When no one replied, I thought everyone got scared off See how easy this is?

 

So in my item 5 what are you saying this is a causes Diagonal Lines? Had the most problems describing Bag Marks as I had seen the tiny scrapes you mentioned by was unable to determine if they would be PM or not?

 

The Diagonal lines are a continuation of the mint striations you saw on the wreath. See how they line up? Also, note that some show up more and are deeper than others. The weak one's are partially obliterated by the strike.
IMO, there are no scrapes in the micrograph. What may look like scrapes are the striations on the leaves. The tiny depressions in the field are the miniscule "contact marks" from something hitting the coin's surface.

The tiny contact marks, the scratch, the minor rub, all happened after the coin left the mint. The small orange stain is a copper spot. It could have been on the coin after it was struck or developed later.

 

Are you saying the diagonal lines starting at the O and L of DOLLAR continuing downward towards the 5 are Pre Manufacturing? A Striation pre-manufacturing would be under these characters not over them, thus Post Manufacturing. Or am I missing something?

 

Ok I appreciate your time

 

Are you thinking about it...should have the answer by now...

 

A coin die (most) has the design sunk into it. A planchet has the striations sunk into it. What happens to the marks when the planchet is struck? Once you visualize the result it should all make perfect sense.

So take a stab...you are not getting graded or anything and many of the members may not understand either.

 

Hint: How hard?

 

Thanks for allowing me time to think about your statement. First I do agree with the Copper Color of the being the result of Copper being mixed with gold and leaving this deposit. My next area of consideration is the area of what appears to me to be the numerous diagonal lines show also in the secondary fields between the Characters. By your definition Striations would be layered together and equally spaced showing those multitude of lines in those secondary areas. My understanding of Striations is when a planchet is formed (mixed) with impurities in this case, gold and copper I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around how these lines were made without some device like a roller forming these lines in the devices and secondary areas (Post Strike ). Or as you say these lines are created when the die was struck because of the impurities of a of the Striation IMO in a mix this would be impossible..

 

@Insider zoom in closely to see those diagonal lines those have been cut not pressed to the surfaces.