1921 (p) Morgan with die cracks

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  1. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    How are the die cracks on these mass produced Morgan's tracked? Do they have VAM numbers, or are die crack states assigned another catalogue code?

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  3. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I don't think anyone cares much about die cracks unless they are a marker for a particular VAM
     
  4. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

  5. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    There is a Die crack guide for 21' Morgan's to help attribute them.
    The dies were horrendous this particular year.
     
  6. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Just like "Squiggles", who cares!:rolleyes:
     
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  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Squiggles was he a member here?
     
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  8. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    was ?:oops:, what did you do with him ?:oops:
     
  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Those '21's are loaded with die cracks and yours is no exception.
     
  10. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Shhhhhhh...don't ask, don't tell
     
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  11. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Yeah, they were rushing to make them and quality control apparently took a back seat to mass production. But, I like the die cracks as they make each coin slightly unique (and cracking is often associated with a scarcer VAM - once any die crack progressed far enough, they would have retired the die for safety reasons or to eliminate cuds).
     
  12. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Don't worry, @cpm9ball straightened him out :facepalm:
     
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  13. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    They aren't primary diagnostics for VAMs in general, but make good fingerprints that let you confirm an attribution, and for 1921 and 1921-D there are VAMWorld pages that diagram them for quick identification. Why? Because someone wanted to.

    I looked through this page and found what looks like a match to VAM 75A pretty quickly. Keep in mind that cracks grow over time, so any given coin might not have all the cracks shown, or it might have more.
     
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  14. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Thanks. I'll check that out under the scope and see if it matches with better pics.
     
  15. Lawrence "Dutch" Keen

    Lawrence "Dutch" Keen Active Member

    What does VAM stand for?
     
  16. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Leroy Van Allen and A. George Mallis. They're the two gentlemen who first collaborated on what is now known as the VAM book back in the 1960s. Mallis passed away in December 1999. Leroy Van Allen is 86.
     
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