1921 Morgan with Strike Thru

Thanks All, so we have lamination and strikethrough error.... now if I could just figure out the VAM# Seriously, thanks you all, I came to the right place for help.

 

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I think Mr.21 is waiting for the scribble pics

 

The strike snapped off the part of the lamination on the neck, and it fell away. That happened to be about the limit of the one side of it; it's only a single line from there. Now, to look at the whole thing.

 

Here is a couple more where I try to get what I consider to be scribbles...remember, I'm a newish vammer. Also, my photo skills are still in development. There are also a lot of die polish line in most recesses of the hair on the OB.

 

I hope someone is still out there watching this thread...I have some better pictures for Mr.21 or anyone to help get me closer to identifying the VAM. I have verified that it's a 16 berry D2 Hub and VAM 3. I'm totally lost after that. I have some way better pics to help.

 

That's something I can go on.

The double-curved die crack through the neck should be a smoking-gun attribute, although it's not part of any of the more popular 1921 varieties which I'd know off the top of my head, nor does it appear in the VAMworld crack guide.

And no, I haven't forgotten this.

 

Wow. Do you know how challenging it is to photograph scribbles that well?!

That deserves 3 weird camera cyclops emojis

Have at her dave

 

Terrific imaging.

OK. Do me a favor. Wander over to VAMworld and look at VAM-3CG:

http://www.vamworld.com/1921-P+VAM-3CG

That straight diagonal NW-SE scratch in the scribbles is distinctive enough to pursue this one. I also see what looks like the appropriate gouge above the L in DOLLAR.

Also, read this:

http://www.vamworld.com/share/view/72277336

You'll note the coin being discussed in that thread has what looks very much like the curved crack thru the neck seen here. It also, however, seems to have cracks yours doesn't. If you would, compare all the little details of both pages to your coin. I am hoping you'll have all the markers on the detail page, and we'll worry about the differences in that thread afterward.

My intent is for one of us to bump that thread with this information if we feel we have an attribution here, and in conjunction with your detail imaging and the input of others we can get enough information about this variety onto the record to make it an easy attribution going forward.

That is what VAMming is about. You can help build it here.

 

Oh my! Where to start! I'm like a little puppy getting ready to tinkle myself with excitement. 1st off, thanks for the compliments on the pics. Also, SuperDave and Cascade, thanks for your awesome expertise on this. Dave, all the markers are there for the 3CG! I looked at the V'wld thread you sent and the attribute page from V'wld. Some of the markers in my coin are a little more pronounced than the V'wld thread. I suppose this is because I have my coin in my hand. I am going to try and get some better pics of the over all OB and RV. Mine does have a fair amount of cracks on both the OB and RV. you'll notice the quality of some of my pics are not real clear. The higher quality ones you guys have commented on were taken on a Keyence camera system I have access to at work. Some were taken on my cheapo digital microscope at home. Anywho, today, I plan to take more pics at work and try to document all the cracks and die file lines. The recesses of the hair has a fair amount of file lines. Dave, I would very much like to "bump" the thread as you say and would really, really appreciate you helping me with this, I am fairly new to V'wld and to VAMing. Since I joined V'wld I would say I access it 10-20 times a day lately.....I am soooooooo hooked!
Here's couple pics I have of the hair file lines and one of the markers from the V'wld thread. Dave, what's your user name at VAMworld? (hope this question isn't too nosey) I read the message board religiously every day and learn a lot! Ok, gonna run now and get those pics as I am at work now working very hard of course. Sorry about the Moby Dick version for this response....hee, hee....

 

I use this nick over there too, but I don't actually post there often although I've been a member for as long as it's been around.

I'm most worried about the cracks around the cap, because generally the cracks on your coin seem better-developed than the ones in the thread (later die state) yet I don't see the cap cracks in your images. Are they there?

 

Yes they are, I'm going to get some pics of them today, I'll try and post them tonight or later this afternoon.....

 

Here you go Dave...I threw in one of the forehead and hair line as well, note the crack on the forehead, I didn't see this in the Vam Thread.....maybe it's there and I just didn't see it. I have several more pics of both the OB and RV at different positions and sections, so I have photo's of everything in various stages. Let me know if you need to see something more pacific and I'll send them when I get home....

 

Hey, just for fun, anyone want to give me their opinion on what this might grade at?

 

If it has full luster Ms63 maybe even 64 as its hard to determine from the yellow tinted pics. And you want to get it into an error slab! Which could be a problem as I believe pcgs and ngc don't like to slab retained laminations BUT they may find the remaining retained part to be "secure" enough to slab the coin.

Correct me if I'm wrong guys

 

I think AU50

 

My intent is to send it to ANACS, I use them for a lot of my error and VAM's..... would you recommend I send it to PCGS? I use them but I'm careful what I send them for fear of it coming back with just details....."Cleaned" someone farted on in the past, stuff like that..... Hey guys, here's another pic of the cap I forgot to post.

 

I think go PCGS. Request the VAM, and error slab.

 

Thanks Guys! It does have full-ish luster, I know most of the pics are yellow toned...it's a lighting thing......the last 2 full pics are more the actual color....my guess was about MS61 or 62...but I am very conservative. That way when I get them back from grading....my feelings aren't hurt. I really think this should grade anywhere from 62 to 64. (hoping anyway)

 

I don't think MS because i think I see slight wear.

 

Pcgs is crazy stupid on what they charge for errors. Ngc is much cheaper but personally I'd want it in pcgs plastic unless you just want it for you and will never sell or you don't want to buy a subscription then go anacs as they are the only ones who will ID a non-list vam

Only if it's a list vam will pcgs label it


Your big concern on getting it slabbed is the lamination as I mentioned above. Maybe other members with experience on Slabbing retained laminations will chime in