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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Burton Strauss III, post: 2407074, member: 59677&quot;]Conder&#039;s NGC1 (black insert, gold foil) was used for two months, Sep/Oct 1987. The plain white label/white insert - NGC2 and NGC2.1 - followed it but was used for even a shorter period.</p><p><br /></p><p>The rarer version (NGC2.1 which came first) has the foil stamping INSIDE the case. You can tell by whether it casts a shadow or not. The OPs coin COULD be NGC2.1 - if you can see the shadow it&#039;s proof of NGC2, but not seeing it could just be angle of lighting.</p><p><br /></p><p>Then came NGC3 - the white label with the border, and foil stamping outside the case which was used until late 1988 when they started using holograms.</p><p><br /></p><p>(all of these plus NGC4 - hologram and NGC5 - bar code are the undivided insert a/k/a no-line fattys)</p><p><br /></p><p>See <a href="http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&amp;Number=2248404&amp;page=1#Post2248404" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&amp;Number=2248404&amp;page=1#Post2248404" rel="nofollow">http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&amp;Number=2248404&amp;page=1#Post2248404</a></p><p><br /></p><p>or the older thread</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://forums.collectors.com/messageview.aspx?catid=26&amp;threadid=220185" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://forums.collectors.com/messageview.aspx?catid=26&amp;threadid=220185" rel="nofollow">https://forums.collectors.com/messageview.aspx?catid=26&amp;threadid=220185</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Note: it&#039;s now widely believed that the brown/grey/green label border is actually the same kind of unstable color ink that causes PCGS green labels to be known with shades of yellow, blue and green.</p><p><br /></p><p>I haven&#039;t seen the NGC smoking gun, however...&nbsp; which would be two slabs from the same (probably dealer) submission where one is now differently colored due to differences in storage. I call it a dealer submission as those would most likely be sold on to different people and then stored differently.</p><p><br /></p><p>For example, I have a 40s Merc dime, 504802-0xx (all MS65 or better FBs) in mint green. I need a brown/grey example from that invoice. If anybody has the SG and is willing to share, please PM me.</p><p><br /></p><p>There are, several almost smoking guns in the NGC-005-4-1 (Schwager#) sample slab, where we have mostly brown but several known greens and greys. It&#039;s not quite a full smoking gun (FSG) since we also have proof that the invoice # was reused AT LEAST six times for just the Liberty Nickel samples.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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