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Message:: [QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 301001, member: 112"]Now for the second coin you posted, it clearly does not meet the standards for F12. F12 standards - obverse - Gown details are worn but show clearly across body. Right leg is nearly flat and toe is worn. Breast is worn but some mail is visible. Date may show some weakness at top. Rim is full. Outer edge of shield is nearly complete. reverse - Breast is worn almost smooth. Half of the wing feathers are visible although well worn in spots. The rim is full. The next lowest grade with a description in the ANA book is VG8, following are the standards. VG8 - obverse - Entire design is weak, and most details in gown are worn smooth. All letters and date are clear but tops of numerals may be flat. Rim is complete. Drapery across breast is partially outlined. reverse - About one third of the feathers are visible, and large feathers at the end of wings are well separated. Eye is visble. Rim is full and all letters are visible. You didn't post a pic of the reverse of the second coin. But based on the obverse description, it matches just about perfectly with VG8. I suspect the reverse will match as well. So there you have it, of the 3 coins posted in this thread the grades are - VG8, VG10 and VF20, based on ANA standards. Not so very far apart in grade after all.[/QUOTE]