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Message:: [QUOTE="dingodonkey, post: 1178255, member: 25354"]Can you get better pictures?  It's hard to say from these views, but I'm leaning toward counterfeit to stay on the safe side.  Without close-ups, it's very hard to say, but I've seen a lot of Chinese counterfeits and most of them have that sort of "dark and creamy" look to them that this coin has.  That's not to say it's definitely a fake, it could very well be real.  But it's enough for me to say I wouldn't buy it without examining it in-hand or sending it through a TPG.  In that grade, that's a very expensive coin, and if you're thinking of buying it and have even the slightest doubt, you should insist on having it certified.  Most reputable dealers will do this -- it may take time and a small fee, but it's well worth it.[/QUOTE]