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<p>[QUOTE="MIGuy, post: 7941921, member: 116145"]I've got to say, it's kind of amusing how sometimes we try and second guess the professional graders at PCGS, NGC, ANACS and ICG. Sure, sometimes they make mistakes, sometimes serious ones, but you might want to consider a little modesty and respect for the authenticity - I'm not saying the grade, on coins like this. I know the grades are always debatable, especially in the MS distinctions, and sure, sometimes they do make mistakes, however, I have an FR02, Details 1916 SLQ that went through the same criticism and debate here - that was the subject of my very first post here. The debate on mine was mostly based on my terrible picture taking skills, which is entirely fair. Consider that dateless 1916s have to go through additional scrutiny from multiple graders precisely because they are putting a big price tag and target on that sort of coin. They guarantee authenticity.</p><p><br /></p><p>Bottom line I personally went back and forth with ICG, second guessing myself - though I have been studying SLQs for some years and submitted mine because it was different than the dateless 1917 type 1s I have - it rang 1916 to me, and I was right. But I was worried about it after all the calls of "I think it's a 1917!!" from the peanut gallery here, and so I got a grip on the process, I communicated with one of the graders directly, and I'm confident that this PCGS slabbed 1916 looks pretty similar to mine. The fact that somebody put a picture up of their dateless 1916 with some key points on that coin highlighted and everyone thinks that's what all dateless 1916s are going to be identical to is silly and wrong. If you contact eBay saying it's not the real deal, I think you should reconsider that sort of egoism, and stepping on someone else's business, unless and until you are an expert on 1916 SLQs and grade them professionally - and have it in hand so you can actually assess it. You don't think it's legit, don't buy it, but don't try and tell everyone who has an authenticated PCGS or other top 4 TPG coin that it's not legitimate because you saw a picture and based on some other picture you saw, it ain't right. All due respect, that's nonsense.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's the test of your mettle if you are determined that this is not a 1916 - buy it or negotiate to get hands on it, submit it to a grader of your own choosing, and if you're right, celebrate it, cash in on the authenticity guarantee and become - in the numismatic community - a celebrity for proving yourself right. Put up or shut up.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="MIGuy, post: 7941921, member: 116145"]I've got to say, it's kind of amusing how sometimes we try and second guess the professional graders at PCGS, NGC, ANACS and ICG. Sure, sometimes they make mistakes, sometimes serious ones, but you might want to consider a little modesty and respect for the authenticity - I'm not saying the grade, on coins like this. I know the grades are always debatable, especially in the MS distinctions, and sure, sometimes they do make mistakes, however, I have an FR02, Details 1916 SLQ that went through the same criticism and debate here - that was the subject of my very first post here. The debate on mine was mostly based on my terrible picture taking skills, which is entirely fair. Consider that dateless 1916s have to go through additional scrutiny from multiple graders precisely because they are putting a big price tag and target on that sort of coin. They guarantee authenticity. Bottom line I personally went back and forth with ICG, second guessing myself - though I have been studying SLQs for some years and submitted mine because it was different than the dateless 1917 type 1s I have - it rang 1916 to me, and I was right. But I was worried about it after all the calls of "I think it's a 1917!!" from the peanut gallery here, and so I got a grip on the process, I communicated with one of the graders directly, and I'm confident that this PCGS slabbed 1916 looks pretty similar to mine. The fact that somebody put a picture up of their dateless 1916 with some key points on that coin highlighted and everyone thinks that's what all dateless 1916s are going to be identical to is silly and wrong. If you contact eBay saying it's not the real deal, I think you should reconsider that sort of egoism, and stepping on someone else's business, unless and until you are an expert on 1916 SLQs and grade them professionally - and have it in hand so you can actually assess it. You don't think it's legit, don't buy it, but don't try and tell everyone who has an authenticated PCGS or other top 4 TPG coin that it's not legitimate because you saw a picture and based on some other picture you saw, it ain't right. All due respect, that's nonsense. Here's the test of your mettle if you are determined that this is not a 1916 - buy it or negotiate to get hands on it, submit it to a grader of your own choosing, and if you're right, celebrate it, cash in on the authenticity guarantee and become - in the numismatic community - a celebrity for proving yourself right. Put up or shut up.[/QUOTE]
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