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Message:: [QUOTE="John Burgess, post: 6448096, member: 105098"]Yeah, I agree with Mountain man, I'm as far as I can go with this at this distance, I think it's worth the gamble from the pictures, and the rotation, if it is in fact at 11:45, the placement seems right for Reverse die #1, but that's as far as I can get with it. I think I'm well over 75% on it, it's a dog, but I think it's genuine. I'd feel good about sending it into ANACS on a 10 for $100, or 12 for $120 grading special. or a deal with one of the other reputable companies, if available that's low cost. At the end of the day you just need authenticity confirmation. it's likely not getting a grade anyways with it's condition. I'd save some bucks and send it to ANACS or ICG and see what they say, I'm certain it will come back details cleaned or environmental damage, or both, but if you intend to sell it or pass it on, authentication is going to be key to doing it or everyone interested in buying will question it's authenticity every time you show it to someone. If you don't own it, I'd say "just stay away from it" and look for one already graded. I would LOVE to hear back from you if you do send it for authentication to hear what the results are, and I wish you the best of luck![/QUOTE]