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Message:: [QUOTE="oz_in_ohio, post: 2845068, member: 89534"]Both you know and i know that full horn is needed on the buffalo nickel. However i also add that the eye and ruffles on the back must also be visible to be anywhere near the top gradings ... I have in my library a 2009 issue of KP david C harpers Red book in soft cover...In the index it shows nowhere and no page to go to for grading coins.... Therefore i had to revert to the Australian book that had it all in there an is what i scanned earlier.... On top of that oldhoopster...You stated this!!! "However, there are a number of newer collectors looking for information and the CT threads come up quite a bit on search engines. " if they want to learn properly, then buy a world krause coin book and read up on the grading.... Any fool can grade up but it takes someone that knows his/her work to grade exact.... Place yourself as a buyer.... Would you pay top price for an item that does not have high points??? Not everything is a weak strike and i do believe those 2 words have been taken way out of context these days...Have a nice day[/QUOTE]